Is there still a Conservative Party?

Whitewavemark2

Glorianny

I think that Starmer is embracing many of the policies which were traditionally conservative. No commitment to end privatisation in the NHS, no commitment to taxing the rich. He is at the same time removing anyone who is to the left of the party. So what is left will be a party with conservative values and only the name will be Labour.

Perhaps start another thread?

Why? Does it bother you that politics has shifted so far to the right? The Conservative party as Chris Patten knew it may no longer exist but Labour are a good replacement. And the way Starmer is chucking left wingers out the party shows it is no longer left wing. Who knows maybe that's what he is aiming for the traditional conservative vote.

I know. I read The Times online because DH subscribes to it. And, if I was out and about and wanted to buy a newspaper I would buy the Guardian ( I was a long time Observer reader for years). I like The Times because I love Caitlin Moran’s weekly column. I know one journalist shouldn’t put me off a newspaper put he is so venomously against a party that imo are the only party that can rid us of the most corrupt government I’ve ever known that I just can’t stomach him.

MayBee70

Grany

KS and those that run the party do not want anyone left or moderate left. Video Starmer goes FULL DICTATOR Owen Jones. A politician Ian Driscoll very capable man serving mayor who has worked tirelessly for his community including achieved Very Many Good Things, a driving force for a Green Industrial revolution The party banned him. Because he is not on the right of the Labour Party.

If Owen Jones doesn’t like Keir that’s even more of a reason for me to support him. He doesn’t, for some reason, want a Labour government but just wants to remain in permanent opposition meaning about everything….I don’t buy The Guardian because he writes in it. He isn’t a journalist. He’s just a very silly boy.

There's a lot more to the Guardian than Owen Jones' column.

Whitewavemark2

grany I don’t think that you have ever started a thread about your particular interest. Consequently I and I’m sure others have no real clear idea as to your issue.

You need a clear and detailed OP that. Outlines exactly your problem with the Labour Party.

People can then if they wish have a sensible chat about whether they agree or disagree with your issues.

Much better than this silly sniping from the sidelines, where all you seem to be achieving is to irritate the reader, and gaining nothing for your cause.

This exactly Whitewavemark2, thank you for putting it so well.

Glorianny

I think that Starmer is embracing many of the policies which were traditionally conservative. No commitment to end privatisation in the NHS, no commitment to taxing the rich. He is at the same time removing anyone who is to the left of the party. So what is left will be a party with conservative values and only the name will be Labour.

Perhaps start another thread?

grany I don’t think that you have ever started a thread about your particular interest. Consequently I and I’m sure others have no real clear idea as to your issue.

You need a clear and detailed OP that. Outlines exactly your problem with the Labour Party.

People can then if they wish have a sensible chat about whether they agree or disagree with your issues.

Much better than this silly sniping from the sidelines, where all you seem to be achieving is to irritate the reader, and gaining nothing for your cause.

I think that Starmer is embracing many of the policies which were traditionally conservative. No commitment to end privatisation in the NHS, no commitment to taxing the rich. He is at the same time removing anyone who is to the left of the party. So what is left will be a party with conservative values and only the name will be Labour.

You’re making yourself look silly Grany. Is Starmer a member of the Conservative Party? No, he isn’t. Start a new thread for goodness sake.

Starmer Labour is now Conservative with a capital C.

There are no differences in the two main parties.

Plus factionalism completely out of control. No democracy. No erroneous jibes the truth.

Grany

I meant Jamie Driscol

Starmer is Conservative we are discussing conservatism
Casdon

No, Grany, it’s Conservative with a capital C - ie the Conservative Party. Introducing erroneous jibes at the Labour Party leader are irrelevant to this thread, so just start your own if you want to discuss the issue you’ve raised. Threads do meander, but that is a complete change of subject.

I meant Jamie Driscol

Starmer is Conservative we are discussing conservatism
Casdon

Grany

What do you think of Starmer banning mayor Ian Driscol from standing to be reelected. This is not democracy. Don't you find it scary that he would ban him to stop members choosing who they want to elect? Undemocratic.

I’ll be honest Grany and say that I think it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Nada. If you want to discuss start a thread.

What do you think of Starmer banning mayor Ian Driscol from standing to be reelected. This is not democracy. Don't you find it scary that he would ban him to stop members choosing who they want to elect? Undemocratic.

It does. And it might help but the new regulations will cost far more to implement so food prices will still rise. www.politico.eu/article/uk-business-fear-brexit-checks-food-price-inflation/

Glorianny

I think more people are concerned with the price of food than the price of petrol and it is still rising

Doesn’t the price of petrol alsoaffect the price of food?

ronib

MaizieD Tony Blair’s majority of 179 seats in 1997 ??

Fortunately Blair's government was much better than the preceding tory governments. But it's a lottery. Can't guarantee that big majorities = good government. We know that to our cost over the past 3 years.

I'd be much happier with smaller majorities and more regard for minorities... PR being the way to go...

MaizieD Tony Blair’s majority of 179 seats in 1997 ??

Both parties are useless here, very little difference. Still, it is good to have hope I suppose. Don’t like the look of any of your lot and same applies here. Labour/ Liberal /Conservative are all out for themselves and couldn’t govern their way out of a paper bag. Wouldn’t it be nice to have strong politicians who are trustworthy and sensible ? Where did they go ?

Interesting that posters mention taxes. The Conservatives have raised taxes.

ronib

Ww2 pretty appalled not confined to the Home Counties btw - hope no government of any party ever gains an 80 seat majority ! Single party misgovernment is not working for the Uk.

That is a lesson we should have learned after the Thatcher government!

Whitewavemark2

Yes, and the cost of living crises is also being felt by the middle income group now, not so keenly but nevertheless they are noticing a difference.

Middle income groups are being badly affected by the ridiculous interest rate rises that the Bank of England keep inflicting on us. Their mortgage repayments are rocketing.

Mortgage repayments aren't counted in the 'basket' of goods which are used to measure inflation. So, even if inflation 'looks' as though it is coming down they are still being squeezed.

Of course, a lowered inflation rate doesn't mean that the cost of living is easing for anyone, prices are still high, they're just not rising as fast.

Wages aren't keeping pace with inflation, so more and more people are just poorer. I can't see the government doing anything to ease this before the next election.

Glorianny

I think more people are concerned with the price of food than the price of petrol and it is still rising

Glorianny depends on the demographic? My son was very relieved to see the price of fuel begin to decrease as he does drive to work daily. Also fuel price reduction should help with the cost of food transportation?

Ww2 pretty appalled not confined to the Home Counties btw - hope no government of any party ever gains an 80 seat majority ! Single party misgovernment is not working for the Uk.

Yes, and the cost of living crises is also being felt by the middle income group now, not so keenly but nevertheless they are noticing a difference.

I think more people are concerned with the price of food than the price of petrol and it is still rising