Prince Harry v The Mirror in phone hacking case

Callistemon21

Sorry, can't agree about Andrew; he has used his Royal status shamelessly.

Yes but he did it with the cooperation and support of his mother, who made sure he was adequately protected and probably paid to keep him out of court.

If Andrew had not been royal would Guffrie have chosen him to sue ?

I think a lot of people on this thread exhibit classic behaviour towards a family member with problems. When he's little he's regarded as cheeky/difficult but cute, when he's older its teenage hiccups, and then he's just a bit of a lad. As an adult he has the choice of facing his problems or slipping into alcoholism/drug dependence. Harry's chosen to face them. And because he was made a public figure he's done it publicly and made cash from it. So now they think he's a nasty person. He's the same person he has always been.

Anniebach

If Andrew had not been royal would Guffrie have chosen him to sue ?

What's that got to do with anything?

He's the same person he has always been
Not so pleasant in a middle aged man, though, is it.

One hopes that they might mature somewhat when approaching 40, married with a family.

He hasn’t chosen to face them though and he has slipped into drugs dependency, as he admits himself. But you’re right, the person we see is the person he has always been but it was always covered up by the palace. Now we see him for who he really is and it’s not pleasant.

Callistemon21

^He's the same person he has always been^
Not so pleasant in a middle aged man, though, is it.

One hopes that they might mature somewhat when approaching 40, married with a family.

Well I suppose it depends what you term maturity. I'd say facing your problems and discussing them is pretty important.
Protecting your children is important. Working with your partner as an equal is important. All take maturity
He seems to be doing that. I'm sure many would have preferred him to lapse silently into drugs or alcohol.

I’m sure many would have preferred him to shut up.

Forsythia

He hasn’t chosen to face them though and he has slipped into drugs dependency, as he admits himself. But you’re right, the person we see is the person he has always been but it was always covered up by the palace. Now we see him for who he really is and it’s not pleasant.

How was it covered up by the palace? The drug taking was written about, the alcohol and the parties were written about. These are not conditions someone chooses. These are illnesses which are brought about through damage inflicted on a person. Honestly it shows how deep some people's concerns about mental health really go.

Every time Harry expresses himself in whichever way he chooses (interviews, articles, book) he makes me more grateful for the dignified way William leads hs life.

Aveline

Every time Harry expresses himself in whichever way he chooses (interviews, articles, book) he makes me more grateful for the dignified way William leads hs life.

Or manages to keep things out of the press.

He lost me when he publicly criticised his family. That is just plain nasty and vindictive as far as I’m concerned, however ‘bad’ they were.

Well I suppose it depends what you term maturity.
Glorianny wrote,
I'd say facing your problems and discussing them is pretty important.
Protecting your children is important.

I agree. But . . .

Is discussing and writing about your problems, making them public so they can and will be dragged up forever is your idea of protecting your children?

Glorianny wrote,
Working with your partner as an equal is important.

I agree. It’s the relationship I have with DH. I can’t comment on H & M for the the oft used You don’t know him/them reason, which applies to you too.

Glorianny wrote,
All take maturity
I agree, but your idea of maturity as evidenced on here is questionable.

Glorianny wrote,
I'm sure many would have preferred him to lapse silently into drugs or alcohol.

What gives you that idea? Is that what you think? Are you now foisting your ideas on the many whoever they might be?

I’ve seen evidence on here, that people would like him to stop claiming to privacy, then avoiding it, or telling his version of the truth, which isn’t always the actual truth, but I haven’t seen evidence of people wishing he would lapse into drugs and alcohol

What a nasty thing to say.

So say a lot of us! Thank goodness he was born first. Yes I understand Harry has always had issues , not helped by his parents problems and an over indulgent mother. But surely doesn't excuse the tirade he has subjected his family to, especially his grandparents who truly loved him, and by all reports he was devoted to all to make money or perhaps destroy them on the public stage. If he hates them all so much, why not just go away and leave them and us alone? He has a life style that a lot of us would envy, more than enough money, a beautiful wife, gorgeous healthy children, a luxury home, in a wonderful climate near the sea . Why on earth can't he put the past behind him and be happy with what he has now got and get on with his life going forward instead of constantly
harking back to the past that can't be altered, raking up old coals, making his life and those round him a misery.

At least with Prince Andrew we haven't been subjected to intimidate details of his brothers anatomy and more besides, which must be a sort of blessing!

He can’t put it behind him because he is jealous of his brother. That’s his big problem. Plus, he hasn’t got over Chelsey leaving him and being happily married to another man. I have read on two separate blogs that he didn’t stay at Frogmore but at a private members club last week where he racked up a huge bill on booze. It was also reported that he trashed his room after the court case.

At the age of nearly 40 he needs to grow up. But nothing has worked so far: years of therapy, a stint of carefully managed time in the army, carefully constructed PR regarding the Invictus games designed to rehabilitate his image, his wedding and, apparently, two children. Nothing works and he doesn’t change. I am sure this is the tip of the iceberg and there is a lot more that the public don’t yet know. Which is why he wants the press muzzled.

You're right Forsythia. Harry sounds as if he's always been jealous of William, and Meghan is jealous of Kate. They are both vindictive and vengeful and probably stir each other up.

I was amazed that Harry complained in his book that William had the bigger bedroom at Balmoral. That's the sort of comment one expects from a toddler.

We only have Harry's word for it that Chelsy dumped him because of the Press. She may well have got fed up with his alcohol and drug-taking and immature behaviour instead. He said himself in the witness box that she screamed at him down the phone when he went to the lapdancing club and had a lapdance there. The Press weren't to blame for that - Harry was for going there in the first place.

I understood that they shared a bedroom at Balmoral and poor Harry has the smaller half, and he only got two sausages to Williams three at breakfast . Tragic indeed! Perhaps it WAS the smaller bedroom, whatever it was has certainly left its mark. I also understood he didn't stay at Frogmore, perhaps the King pre -empting Harry's mood wasn't too keen to potentially having it trashed!

Don’t second children always have the smaller bedroom? I did, and my sister had the biggest bedroom (my parents had the middle sized room.)

Mollygo

^Well I suppose it depends what you term maturity.^
Glorianny wrote,
I'd say facing your problems and discussing them is pretty important.
Protecting your children is important.

I agree. But . . .

Is discussing and writing about your problems, making them public so they can and will be dragged up forever is your idea of protecting your children?

Glorianny wrote,
Working with your partner as an equal is important.

I agree. It’s the relationship I have with DH. I can’t comment on H & M for the the oft used You don’t know him/them reason, which applies to you too.

Glorianny wrote,
All take maturity
I agree, but your idea of maturity as evidenced on here is questionable.

Glorianny wrote,
I'm sure many would have preferred him to lapse silently into drugs or alcohol.

What gives you that idea? Is that what you think? Are you now foisting your ideas on the many whoever they might be?

I’ve seen evidence on here, that people would like him to stop claiming to privacy, then avoiding it, or telling his version of the truth, which isn’t always the actual truth, but I haven’t seen evidence of people wishing he would lapse into drugs and alcohol

What a nasty thing to say.

Oh I do love how you've learned from Doodledog

There are lots of posts on here saying he should just have kept quiet.

One of the ways of addressing problems is you go back and deal with them by speaking to the people who were involved and making sure you are heard. So he's addressed them in a book. There's no law says you can't use your therapy to make money. And that seems to be the main complaint. He's spoken and written about his family problems openly and for money. Well tough for the family. They had both the ability and the cash to provide him with what he needed, they chose not to.

Forsythia

He can’t put it behind him because he is jealous of his brother. That’s his big problem. Plus, he hasn’t got over Chelsey leaving him and being happily married to another man. I have read on two separate blogs that he didn’t stay at Frogmore but at a private members club last week where he racked up a huge bill on booze. It was also reported that he trashed his room after the court case.

At the age of nearly 40 he needs to grow up. But nothing has worked so far: years of therapy, a stint of carefully managed time in the army, carefully constructed PR regarding the Invictus games designed to rehabilitate his image, his wedding and, apparently, two children. Nothing works and he doesn’t change. I am sure this is the tip of the iceberg and there is a lot more that the public don’t yet know. Which is why he wants the press muzzled.

Oh God If we're discussing what's in Blogs let's not bother. Had he stayed in any private members club in London the press would have known as soon as he signed in. Those places are full of staff who sell them stories..
Blogs are quite often totally imaginary

Nice answer avoidance tactic there Glorianny.

You still think discussing/writing about your problems in public is protecting your children.

Glorianny wrote,
I'm sure many would have preferred him to lapse silently into drugs or alcohol.

What gives you that idea? Is that what you think? Are you now foisting your ideas on the many whoever they might be?

You haven’t denied that, so your nasty accusations or implication that you know what others think still stands.

Revenge is sweet for some ?

"Blogs are quite often totally imaginary". So are some of the comments you see on GN threads. Supposition and speculation dressed up as though they're based on credible, factual research, when all they are in fact, is a figment of someone's fertile imagination.

Glorianny

Callistemon21

He's the same person he has always been
Not so pleasant in a middle aged man, though, is it.

One hopes that they might mature somewhat when approaching 40, married with a family.

Well I suppose it depends what you term maturity. I'd say facing your problems and discussing them is pretty important.
Protecting your children is important. Working with your partner as an equal is important. All take maturity
He seems to be doing that. I'm sure many would have preferred him to lapse silently into drugs or alcohol.

Of course not, what an outrageous thing to say!!

With all his money, all his contacts, all his connections with MH groups and organisations, he could have sought the very best of help available, privately, confidentially and very quietly.

Instead he's like a toddler having a tantrum, blaming everyone except himself.
I doubt this is helping his mental health one bit.

I'm sorry to think that because I didnt blame them one bit and wished them well when they left Royal life and went to live, supposedly out of the public eye, in the States.