Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

What about your ACs and GCs- are you sure they are not affected by inflation, rising interest rates and mortgages, prices and so much more?

Some of mine are, yes, but they live in Australia.

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/01/priced-out-how-australians-are-being-hit-by-the-soaring-cost-of-food
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/02/rba-interest-rates-reserve-bank-increases-official-cash-rate-to-385-in-shock-decision
There's a housing crisis in some areas too.

MerylStreep

Fleurpepper
You yourself told us that you grandchildren and children have an escape route So they won’t have to take the hit will they?

Irrelevant personal comment, yet again.

Yes, they are very lucky, access to Irish/EU and Swiss passport. But why should they have to. The UK is their country, where they were born and bred, all of them. But he is possibly the difference between some of us and some of you. The fact mine have an escape route does not make me stop caring, and being very concerned re the damage done to the UK, and it has nothing to do with my pension at all, or my own personal situation (and we are totally fine).

What about your ACs and GCs- are you sure they are not affected by inflation, rising interest rates and mortgages, prices and so much more?

Like you merlotgran I voted leave and my decision was made as soon as I knew the referendum was going to be held. Mr. S. voted remain and like you GrannyGravy had been unsure until the moment came.

We have sufficient respect for one another to understand one another's reasons for voting the way we did, even though we voted differently. It's a shame the same can't be said for some on GN.

Aveline

My pensions certainly have not 'taken a hit' 10.1% increase this year. Of course I'm a UK resident, tax payer and voter...

Same here. Though I do get a small German pension too. It changes very slightly every month depending on the exchange rate, as you have to expect when you're getting a payment from another country.

The annual increase in the German pension takes effect from 1 July, and will be 4.39% this year, which doesn't match their inflation rate. I feel fortunate that here in the UK our increase is actually more now than the level of inflation.

I was still uncertain how to vote when I entered the polling booth, I knew which way my closest sibling and family were voting, I knew how our AC were voting.

As I knew it was for their generation I voted the same as them which was to leave.

merlotgran

Katie59

To me the referendum proved what gullible fools most voters are (a few on GN too) led like lambs to the slaughter by Tory wolves.

Well, I’m not too timid to declare I voted Leave and I’m certainly not a gullible fool 😡😡

My reasons are my business. Any issues I had with the EU had nothing to do with writings on a bus or anything coming out of Nigel Farage’s mouth. As for Lambs to the Slaughter…Don’t you think that’s a rather over dramatic, hackneyed cliche?

Most if us have far worse things to worry about these days than the state of fleurpepper’s pension. A tale of woe that’s not even worth the teeniest of tiny violins!

Next week is Glastonbury. The anniversary of that hilarious own goal by self satisfied gullible fools who were so certain the referendum would go their way they took themselves off for a weekend of fun rather than vote for their future. Why bother when you can blame the result on inferiors who made the effort to put an X on a piece of paper?

I voted Remain, merlogran but I would not be so insufferably rude as to call you a gullible fool.

Jeremy Corbyn's referendum campaign was decidedly lacklustre and, if I remember correctly, many Labour constituencies voted to leave.
Complaints were made that it was older voters who voted to leave - perhaps the reason was that younger voters who might have voted to remain just didn't bother to turn up to vote.
Then complained about "old people" instead of looking at their own failure.

All my family voted, from the youngest eligible to vote to the oldest, not one thought it wasn't worth turning out for apart from those overseas who thought it wouldn't be right to do so.

Fleurpepper
You yourself told us that you grandchildren and children have an escape route So they won’t have to take the hit will they?

Dinahmo

Aveline

I can't believe you're still going on about this. Is there nothing else going on in the world to be getting worked up about?

No, there's nothing else going on in the world that's more important (apart from the damage caused by Brexit) than the divisions caused by 13 years of toxic Tory govt.

Don't get me wrong, we all worry about something else, whether its climate change, the lack of decent well paid employment, housing, the NHS and the cost of living. With a govt of a different nature our lives might have been different, maybe even better but almost certainly not worse.

Those of us born after WW2 had access to better health care and education than almost everyone who came before us. For many we had a better standard of living that that of our parents and grandparents but I don't think the same could be said for later generations.

No, there's nothing else going on in the world that's more important (apart from the damage caused by Brexit) than the divisions caused by 13 years of toxic Tory govt.

I'm assuming that is meant ironically

Nothing going on in the world more important than what is happening here in the UK?
You cannot be serious!! Of course, I don't think for one moment you are 😁

Aveline

My pensions certainly have not 'taken a hit' 10.1% increase this year. Of course I'm a UK resident, tax payer and voter...

I am due to get my pension this year, and was pleasantly surprised with the amount due.

My pensions certainly have not 'taken a hit' 10.1% increase this year. Of course I'm a UK resident, tax payer and voter...

MerylStreep

GrannyGravy13

I find it ironic that someone who chooses to live in a European Country which is not a member of the EU is so fixated on the fact that the U.K. has now joined her homeland in not being in the EU.

🤔 mmm, strange that, isn’t it.

Not so strange at all. Switzerland has managed to negotiate very close deals, including most of the advantages of the EU, without being fully part of it. And Schengen. But with Freedom of Movement has a non negotiable condition.

A very mixed country too, linguistically, geographically and culturally too. The French speaking side has always wanted to be fully part of Europe, the German majority did not. We can be very grateful for Brexit and the ensuing mess and very negative consequences, as it has totally shut down those in the German part that wanted to pull out of EU agreements and Schengen. But this thread is not about Switzerland, nor any British people who have made the choice to move abroad. So why do you 'keep banging about it' (so rude... but ...).

Strange? Why strange? If you are totally dependent on the UK for your finances, and all your ACs and GCs are there, take the hit- whx would it be strange to be concerned?

Another gorgeous day - so will leave you to it.

fancythat I'm assuming you're new to this. FP under various guises has perseverated and catastrophised on this topic for years. No matter what evidence to the contrary has been presented on and on she goes from the security of a non EU country. Makes you wonder.

I'm no expert in all degree courses offered at different unis, Fleurpepper sorry, most of the students I know are studying European languages and have been successful in finding placements abroad through the Erasmus scheme. Maybe some other GNs with DGC of that age can answer your question.
From what I can gather, a lot of UK unis have been very proactive in fighting for their students to still benefit fully. It's a pain, but not a complete disaster.

Fleurpepper

Germanshepherdsmum

But WHY do you keep banging on about it?

Because it is massively important, and because the demise of Johnson, the ERG, Farage, and co, a GE next year (and perhaps, oh dear Brenda) a snap election even sooner if Sunak is brought down... means changes are afoot, big changes.

But piling on FP and being very rude is of course great diversion tactics.

What do you think Starmer could do/wants to do, re the EU and Brexit, if he has a chance to?

GrannyGravy13

I find it ironic that someone who chooses to live in a European Country which is not a member of the EU is so fixated on the fact that the U.K. has now joined her homeland in not being in the EU.

🤔 mmm, strange that, isn’t it.

The end of the world is nigh!

Germanshepherdsmum

But WHY do you keep banging on about it?

Because it is massively important, and because the demise of Johnson, the ERG, Farage, and co, a GE next year (and perhaps, oh dear Brenda) a snap election even sooner if Sunak is brought down... means changes are afoot, big changes.

But piling on FP and being very rude is of course great diversion tactics.

Joseann- mine are about to go to Uni- and to study subjects which could be linked to amazing pan-European projects, with funding- which they UK students will no longuer have access to. Links are on thing- proper on par cooperation with EU funding, is another.

Would be interested in any links re full participation on Erasmus scheme, please.

Btw I’m not sure we have ‘100s of sectors’.

But WHY do you keep banging on about it?

Germanshepherdsmum

They are all down to Brexit Norah!

You can be so disingenuous- you know perfectly well that they are not. But you are also fully aware, I am absolutely sure, that Brexit has made it much worse for the UK, in 100s of sectors. Same for inflation. Happening all over Europe too, but much less, and of course they are able to supply each other.

What is it about your GC's future that particularly concerns you Fleurpepper? Assuming they are UK students.
My GGs are in primary school, so a bit young to be making plans, but I know from my tutoring and from my GodD that universities like Durham and Exeter still participate in the Erasmus scheme and maintain links with hundreds of partner universities across Europe.

It's not just that I worry about. There are consequences of ignoring the vote in terms of society's stability and respect of democracy. I am not expressing that well!

They are all down to Brexit Norah!

Germanshepherdsmum

I voted to remain but I accept what happened and get on with my life without ever thinking about Brexit. No need to feel sorry for me. And my AC is doing very well, as will his child. No need to feel sorry for them either. Please get over it! You don’t even live in the UK or the EU.

Agreed. And don't discount Covid, war in Ukraine, global recession - as part to present day issues.