Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Galaxy

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

But we don't hear enough about the good stuff only the negative stuff.

I hear, and have experience, of good stories and bad stories but far fewer bad than good.

Britain is quite a good place to live, on the whole but the op would have us believe that our everyday experiences count for nothing.

And, I voted remain.

Good points in your post kittylester 👏👏👏

This is my first time posting. I hope it’s not my last.

FP Brexit is not a disaster. A disaster is an earthquake, a tsunami or a hurricane and to equate Brexit to the devastation left behind after these events is ridiculous no matter how much you exaggerate and catastrophise it. I imagine anyone fortunate enough to survive any of these genuine disasters would be relieved beyond belief if the only thing they had to concern themselves with was the impact of Brexit.

It seems to me that when you decided to relocate to Switzerland you imagined that the move came with a cast iron guarantee that nothing would ever change. Unfortunately for you, circumstances did change and you have ended up the loser. Rather than accepting that you are where you are because of the decisions you yourself have made, you choose to blame those who voted for Brexit because they didn’t put the consideration that pensioners living abroad may be adversely affected above all others when they put their cross in the box against leave.

I have observed your repeated and obsessional posts about Brexit FP, with the ‘woe is me narrative’ and constant attempts to recruit allies to reinforce your belief that you have been hard done by. This is extremely detrimental to your emotional and mental well being. Others posters have mentioned this to you. Please take it on board. Im adding this out of concern as a retired Occupational Therapist with many years experience working in an NHS mental health setting.

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Galaxy

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

Nor are personal anecdotes about pensions and exchange rates evidence that the U.K. is going down the pan

Galaxy

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

I agree.

There is a lot of suffering going on, one way or another.

Often by elderly, vulnerable, those who dont like to make much of a fuss, type people.

Generally cows in this country are pretty contented, they have food in front of them 24/7 and someone to tend to any ailments they may have every day.
Out in the free range ranching areas they have to walk miles to find food and water, any illnesses or injuries, they either recover or they die because nobody is going to check on them for weeks on end.

Individual stories about good treatment arent really evidence that there arent considerable problems though.

Galaxy

I am not sure its putting the country down to raise concerns about the NHS. It happens on GN about a hundred times a week.

If it were only concerns about the NHS though.
But it’s not. It’s banging the anti- Brexit drum at all costs.
There are also those like Kitty and many others who would vouch for the fact that its “demise” has, as Mark Twain commented, been greatly exaggerated.

I am not sure its putting the country down to raise concerns about the NHS. It happens on GN about a hundred times a week.

Such a good post Kitty.

Hear, hear, kitty. Well said.

I have followed this thread with interest and have 2 observations.

British pensions are really intended for people living and/or working in Britain - whether they are adequate is immaterial in this context - living abroad is the choice of the recipients.

The people voted for Brexit - rightly or wrongly, misled or not.

We are where we are.

And, fp, how do you know the cows are very, very happy?

DH has a very good NHS pension (similar to your DH's) I have a very small pension and, with our state pensions, we are very comfortably off.

The point about the NHS not being up to scratch is not strictly true either. It saved my life last year, our daughter has had brilliant treatment for her BC, my brother, DH's brother have all recently had brilliant treatment under the NHS. And, those are the tip of the iceberg.

Please stop putting this country down.

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I think we would all agree on the importance of happy cows and animal welfare in general - not a new concept either.
Do you all remember “Carnation Milk - from contented cows” ?
And of course “La Vache qui Rit”

Excellent advice Caramme.

Fleurpepper

Funny because I am surrounded with cows living in natural meadows, just as they are all over Europe. I live in Gruyères and Conté AOC country, so in winter when they have to be in, they can only be fed on natural hay, no silage and no other feeds. And they are very very happy.

Oh I do wish you peace GSM- it is so so simple in fact. As this thread is not addressed to anyone in particular, as said by others above, you can just blissfully ignore. Easy peasy, no?

Toured that region a few years ago, Interlaken, Saanen to Gruyere, lovely all the cows had bells round their necks, so I guess there are big farm payments to maintain traditions and please the tourists.

Good Lord, Fleurpepper your postings are so full of bitterness. Spilling that all over these pages is not going to undo Brexit. It’s done and for your mental well-being you need to accept it and adapt to the differences it might have made to your life.

natural meadows
With fences?
Not so far to freely range then?

Funny

Ah well, whatever keeps you happy. 🙂

(Obviously not a farmer)

Funny because I am surrounded with cows living in natural meadows, just as they are all over Europe. I live in Gruyères and Conté AOC country, so in winter when they have to be in, they can only be fed on natural hay, no silage and no other feeds. And they are very very happy
Thank you for your honesty OP in admitting that you live in Switzerland, not the East Midlands with a “direct line to St Pancras”
Why was that such a big deal?
It would be interesting to hear how another non-EU country copes with the bureaucracy and minutiae of dealing with the EU, particularly, as in your case, when surrounded by it.

It’s a real shame Fleurpepper that you choose to ignore all the well meaning advice offered on here.

Your obsession over Brexit will make you Ill sooner or later.

Very easy indeed. I don’t agonise over anything - least of all Brexit. Try it. A peaceful and contented life is a good life.

Funny because I am surrounded with cows living in natural meadows, just as they are all over Europe. I live in Gruyères and Conté AOC country, so in winter when they have to be in, they can only be fed on natural hay, no silage and no other feeds. And they are very very happy.

Oh I do wish you peace GSM- it is so so simple in fact. As this thread is not addressed to anyone in particular, as said by others above, you can just blissfully ignore. Easy peasy, no?

Callistemon21

Fleurpepper

Calli 'I know that their cattle are far more free-range than any cattle in Europe.'

oh this made me laugh out loud - come and have a look, I say. LOL!

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Why is that funny?

LOL
Because “Free Range” means they live or die, cattle are rounded up once a year to collect the calves and useful culls, that’s it, Sheep twice a year - they need to be shorn, welfare or environmental rules don’t exist

“The UK has to import a lot of stuff that can't be produced in the UK, or is no longer produced because of broken supply chains, and lack of workforce. So it has to be bought in. As explained above, many foods, many forms of energy, building materials, supply chain materials of so many types, medicines, essential chemicals, and so much more.”

It’s not so much what we can’t produce, it’s what we can but don’t.

I don’t envy those who live overseas, I’ve travelled widely and I like leafy England, although if you are younger with a skill the whole world is your oyster.