Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Feeds? Australian bush, thousands of acres.

Fleurpepper

Why not Australian beef again- as standards are very different from those imposed on UK farmers, be it on husbandry, antibiotics and feeds, etc.

Really?

Chatting to an Australian cattle farmer the other evening and I know that their cattle are far more free-range than any cattle in Europe.

Husbandry - proof, please.

They are brought into the more lush paddocks near the homestead to fatten up before going to market.

Most supermarkets will not sell hormone-fed beef and I very much doubt it will be allowed to be imported into the UK.

Dinahmo

Callistemon21

Oh, not Australian beef again! 😁

British chocolate is made in the EU - if it's not up to EU Standards are the factories making illegal products then?

There are problems with Flakes- made somewhere in Europe and too soft to stay upright in the ice cream. That's another thing to blame Thatcher for - she invented "whippy" ice cream.Import air and reduce the quantity of ice cream.Looks the same but costs less.

And talking of Australians - Greenwich Council is considering banning icecream vans from streets in the borough. The Chairman/leader/whoever for the Council sounded Australian!

Camden already has banned them
I don't like Mr Whippy.

Callistemon21

Oh, not Australian beef again! 😁

British chocolate is made in the EU - if it's not up to EU Standards are the factories making illegal products then?

There are problems with Flakes- made somewhere in Europe and too soft to stay upright in the ice cream. That's another thing to blame Thatcher for - she invented "whippy" ice cream.Import air and reduce the quantity of ice cream.Looks the same but costs less.

Your position is hardly representative of ‘the British people’ Fp. I wish you would stop pretending to be ‘one of us’ and complaining about the effects of Brexit on ‘us’ when you have chosen to retire to Switzerland. You are only technically ‘one of us’, not in reality.

Dickens

Saetana

GrannyGravy13

I honestly do not recognise the U.K. Fleurpepper consistently posts about.

I can only guess that FP frequents dodgy areas, shops and restaurants when they visit the U.K.

Me neither - the UK is not suffering as a result of Brexit, it is suffering from a completely inept government - and I have no faith that Labour will be any better. Both government and the opposition are largely populated by morons, unfortunately. We deserve better.

Me neither - the UK is not suffering as a result of Brexit, it is suffering from a completely inept government

That's an interesting observation.

About 3 years before the Referendum, Boris Johnson penned an article for The Telegraph in which he opined that "if Britain left the EU, we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by Brussels but by chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and underinvestment in both human and physical capital and infrastructure"

Although accusing the populace of a culture of "easy gratification" (I am assuming that it was us all he was referring to), is a bit much coming from a man who appears to suffer from the same 'culture'!

Going by his logic, that could explain why so many people say that they have not noticed any particular problems since we left, and that life goes on as before. Maybe the problems we had, or most of them anyway, were not after all caused by our membership?

In his article published on 12 May 2013, Mr Johnson said that he would support the legislation, but warns that Britain’s problems will not be solved by simply leaving the EU as many of his Conservative colleagues apparently believe. Well, he seems to have got that bit right!

So why did we leave?

You said, and I have no faith that Labour will be any better. Both government and the opposition are largely populated by morons, unfortunately. We deserve better.

I tend to the same conclusion. Though I don't think our politicians are morons, rather they are self-serving incompetents.

Starmer, for me, is disappointing. He may have some good ideas, but he does appear to be something of an 'appeaser'. He also did what Johnson did (and which many of us criticised him for) - got rid of those who opposed him in his party. Which I don't think is very healthy for a democracy.

And I instinctively do not trust politicians who are fervently in favour of a particular cause, argue fiercely for for it, and then flip-flop- it's a bit Groucho Marx... Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them…well I have others!

Ironically, the only two politicians who I really disliked, were and are, at the same time, the only ones who did not, and have not deviated from their beliefs... Thatcher and Farage.

Johnson, Truss and Starmer - they are all flip-floppers in my book. We've seen the results brought about by Johnson and Truss equivocating, I'm not over enthusiastic to see what the Starmer-effect will be.

Agreed - the amount of flip flopping, or u-turns, going on in politics is getting a bit ridiculous! Whatever happened to conviction politicians? I know there are a few, on both sides of the house, but it seems blowing in the wind is the current status quo.

Foxygloves

^GSM, yes, we in the UK^

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I don’t think you can say “We in XYZ ..” unless you are “in XYZ”
It’s misleading and before you off on one about having UK citizenship, I think we got the message.

Totally irrelevant. We are talking about the effects of Brexit on us the British people who are hugely affected by it. We only have UK pensions in Sterling, and no other income- so we are very directly impacted. Was it not for Brexit, our move would have been temporary and we would be back in UK by now that we are no longer required to look after my very elderly parents, now both deceased.

Irrelevant.

Differences in UK and OZ meat production

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-11/british-australian-food-standard-differences-causing-angst/100205024

I’m sure we’d all like to thank Fleurpepper for the above information RE uk trading with the eu.
Information there that we’d never heard or read.

GSM, yes, we in the UK

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I don’t think you can say “We in XYZ ..” unless you are “in XYZ”
It’s misleading and before you off on one about having UK citizenship, I think we got the message.

Why not Australian beef again- as standards are very different from those imposed on UK farmers, be it on husbandry, antibiotics and feeds, etc.

Oh, not Australian beef again! 😁

British chocolate is made in the EU - if it's not up to EU Standards are the factories making illegal products then?

To cut a long story short- the UK cannot export its goods to the EU, unless it agrees to follow the same rules and standards.
The UK can choose to change and lower standards, if they wish- but NOT if they want to export to EU.

The UK can, and has done, decide to accept lower standards (see Australian trade deal, for instance), and has chosen not to do checks on most goods or foods imported from EU- in fear of more chaos at the ports and empty shelves.

I would NOT call this 'taking back control' personally.

vegansrock

Callistemon21 I didn’t say animal welfare in the EU was good - it’s horrible everywhere, although the country with the highest (enforced) welfare standards is an EU member. But we were told animal welfare laws would be tightened up in the U.K. - they haven’t been. Another non Brexit benefit.

iswym

It's only been seven long years ...

British chocolate used to be amazing- and some of the best, Rowntree, Cadbury's, Fry's, and some more. Currently, it contains far too much palm oil, other fats and sugar to be deamed to be chocolate in EU terms- which require no palm oil and proper cocoa made from real cocoa beans. Just one example

As I said earlier, much of Cadbury's chocolate is made in the EU now since it got taken over by Kraft.

The EU hasn't banned palm oil in food products, it did, however, rule that it must be labelled as such and not as vegetable oil.

Since leaving the EU, the UK has followed suit:

15 March 2018:
UK Government statement

Products containing palm oil must be labelled as such – the vegetable oil ingredient of food must now indicate the vegetable origin of the oil.

Saetana

GrannyGravy13

I honestly do not recognise the U.K. Fleurpepper consistently posts about.

I can only guess that FP frequents dodgy areas, shops and restaurants when they visit the U.K.

Me neither - the UK is not suffering as a result of Brexit, it is suffering from a completely inept government - and I have no faith that Labour will be any better. Both government and the opposition are largely populated by morons, unfortunately. We deserve better.

Me neither - the UK is not suffering as a result of Brexit, it is suffering from a completely inept government

That's an interesting observation.

About 3 years before the Referendum, Boris Johnson penned an article for The Telegraph in which he opined that "if Britain left the EU, we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by Brussels but by chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and underinvestment in both human and physical capital and infrastructure"

Although accusing the populace of a culture of "easy gratification" (I am assuming that it was us all he was referring to), is a bit much coming from a man who appears to suffer from the same 'culture'!

Going by his logic, that could explain why so many people say that they have not noticed any particular problems since we left, and that life goes on as before. Maybe the problems we had, or most of them anyway, were not after all caused by our membership?

In his article published on 12 May 2013, Mr Johnson said that he would support the legislation, but warns that Britain’s problems will not be solved by simply leaving the EU as many of his Conservative colleagues apparently believe. Well, he seems to have got that bit right!

So why did we leave?

You said, and I have no faith that Labour will be any better. Both government and the opposition are largely populated by morons, unfortunately. We deserve better.

I tend to the same conclusion. Though I don't think our politicians are morons, rather they are self-serving incompetents.

Starmer, for me, is disappointing. He may have some good ideas, but he does appear to be something of an 'appeaser'. He also did what Johnson did (and which many of us criticised him for) - got rid of those who opposed him in his party. Which I don't think is very healthy for a democracy.

And I instinctively do not trust politicians who are fervently in favour of a particular cause, argue fiercely for for it, and then flip-flop- it's a bit Groucho Marx... Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them…well I have others!

Ironically, the only two politicians who I really disliked, were and are, at the same time, the only ones who did not, and have not deviated from their beliefs... Thatcher and Farage.

Johnson, Truss and Starmer - they are all flip-floppers in my book. We've seen the results brought about by Johnson and Truss equivocating, I'm not over enthusiastic to see what the Starmer-effect will be.

Callistemon21 I didn’t say animal welfare in the EU was good - it’s horrible everywhere, although the country with the highest (enforced) welfare standards is an EU member. But we were told animal welfare laws would be tightened up in the U.K. - they haven’t been. Another non Brexit benefit.

Does Lindt Balls Contain Palm Oil? Exploring The Use Of Palm Oil In Lindt Balls And Alternatives To Reduce Consumption
6 Feb 2023 — Unfortunately, the answer is not clear-cut, as some Lindor chocolates do contain palm oil, while others do not. It is important to note that ..

Oh no 😥.

I only like Lindt chocolate.

Foxygloves

Germanshepherdsmum

The EU accepts beef from cows reared and transported in terribly cruel conditions from the destroyed rainforests of South America, so don’t pretend that only the UK ‘accepts just anything’.

Anyway, what’s with this ‘we have no idea what’s coming in’? I thought you live in Switzerland?

Perhaps Fleurpepper means “We, when in the UK…” as she has said before now they keep a flat in the East Midlands for use when visiting their daughters and grandchildren.
She spoke of possibly letting it a while ago, so perhaps she has no plans to visit as frequently.

We British people, and on a site which is mainly made up of British people. This thread if about the UK, and Brexit, the demise of the Pound - and NOT about Switzerland, quite simple to understand.

British chocolate used to be amazing- and some of the best, Rowntree, Cadbury's, Fry's, and some more. Currently, it contains far too much palm oil, other fats and sugar to be deamed to be chocolate in EU terms- which require no palm oil and proper cocoa made from real cocoa beans. Just one example.

Me neither - the UK is not suffering as a result of Brexit, it is suffering from a completely inept government

Perhaps, Saetana, you should ask yourself why we have this inept government. I'm old enough to remember that it was voted in specifically to 'get Brexit done'. Perhaps if voters had looked past the ends of their noses they might have noticed that Johnson booted out all the competent tory MPs and filled his post 2019 cabinet with Brexit loyalists, chosen not for their ability but for their adherence to Brexit.

So, I would say that, because of this government, the UK is suffering badly as a direct result of Brexit...

I think European chocolate deserves 🇪🇸 or even 🇮🇹.
Wasn't it introduced to Europe in the sixteenth century by Christopher Columbus? He carried back cacao beans to Spain from his voyages in America.

If the EU decides that for chocolate to be called chocolate, it has to have a garanteed percentage of cocoa mass, for instance, then the UK has to produce chocolate that adheres to those standards, and not Hersheys sugar and palm oil mix! Or not export at all.

Hersheys is American, produced in America, so why that should be a consideration is 🤔

Cadburys is made in the EU now, unfortunately, thank you Kraft.

Germanshepherdsmum

The EU accepts beef from cows reared and transported in terribly cruel conditions from the destroyed rainforests of South America, so don’t pretend that only the UK ‘accepts just anything’.

Anyway, what’s with this ‘we have no idea what’s coming in’? I thought you live in Switzerland?

Perhaps Fleurpepper means “We, when in the UK…” as she has said before now they keep a flat in the East Midlands for use when visiting their daughters and grandchildren.
She spoke of possibly letting it a while ago, so perhaps she has no plans to visit as frequently.

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