Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Totally agree with you Fleurpepper and support your bringing up of the subject. It has obviously harmed us, it was obviously always GOING to harm us and it was sold through lies by those who stood to profit by it. Why, oh why should reasonable comments, arguably based on real experience, be silenced by 'Oh, not all that again!' Yes, I am enjoying the summer, my friends and grandchildren as I am sure all of you are, but that does not mean I have to keep quiet about an outrage. "Oh, not that again' is one of those comments designed to silence debate and immediately put the speaker in the wrong - we should not stand for it. I am glad that no-one says to me 'Oh, not that again' when I point out that my autistic son is autistic, or any other comment that is about something not right, and persistent. My autistic son needs consideration, and Brexit needs debate, recognition, and fixing. Lets face it and move forwards with it, not pretending it hasn't happened.

As British in France, Brexit has caused us consistent financial loss because of the impact of the decline of the pound on our pensions (we have the spreadsheets) and lots of minor irritations. What still makes me most angry is the impact on the choices available to our grandchildren in terms of their right to study and work in other European countries.
I would not, however, bother to start threads about it on Gransnet. It is quite clear from polling that younger generations of British are turning against Brexit and seeing it as a mistake, which was fuelled by vested interests and vainglorious and incompetent politicians.
The views of our generation for or against Brexit will cease to have any relevance.

There is a post on here which speaks of anger.

Are the people who voted Remain, angry?

Quizzer

Some of us, nearly half the population, always thought it was a mistake and voted against it.
Regret having to say “told do so”.

I would be surprised to find many, or perhaps even any, who regretted their initial vote to Leave.

I personally do not know anyone like that at all. And I know quite a lot of people[relative to say the average person].

The whole subject hasnt been discussed for many a year around here, not in any detail. Cant even remember in real life, unless amongst close people, when it was last discussed with others at all.
Not exacatly a topic of discussion at the hairdressers, or in the street, or at a meeting of some sort.

The country has changed beyond recognition and at our age, with our medical history, relying on the NHS is NOT a viable option
I and others would dispute that.
However if you would rather go on paying private health insurance, you could do it in the U.K. as easily as in mainland Europe
Bottom line
The world has changed out of all recognition, but Britain ?
Not necessarily more than any other First World country.
It never was all Miss Marple and Enid Blyton with lashings of ginger beer!

I personally hope that we ask if the EU will have us back in my lifetime! But it raises so many feelings, and disagreements, it will be a hard journey to get there.

I am firmly in your camp too Fluerpepper

100% GrammarGranny 😊😊

No doubt that Brexit has been mishandled and very badly at that! The opportunities have been largely wasted. However I am still not convinced that handing over our sovereignty in so many areas was ever a good idea and in fact the repercussions still live on. For all its economic success, Germany dragged her feet over aid to Ukraine and the relinquishing of Russian energy. Macron in France was a Putin appeaser until he realised the potential cost to France. I am proud that the UK has been unequivocal in its support for Ukraine. Would this have been possible if we had still been in the EU? When so many organisations are taking over our lives and imposing policies we did not vote for, I am thankful there is one less! At least we only have to sort out the corruption in our own political landscape and not the hot (and very expensive) mess in Brussels.

Well Fleurpepper I’m very firmly in your camp ! In my opinion Brexit has been a disaster in so many ways and we’ve lost so much. Still it is going to be a lovely week weather wise so I hope you’ll get outside for some well deserved sunshine and relaxation x

If cost of living and rising food prices is all down to Brexit how come that EU countries are in the same position we are? And UK may have corruption in govt circles but we are not exactly on our own in that respect

I wasn't on GN 6 years ago, or even 4 years ago Fleurpepper, so I know nothing about your nationality, your current place of abode, or your leaving GN. My comments were not specifically directed at you, so I am surprised if that is how you read them.

Moreover, I joined in the thread, MaizieD because I initially thought, from reading the title that it was about the exchange rate, pounds and euros, in which some of us might have a vested interest. I had no idea the discussion was supposed to be about Boris.

Anyway, the good positive news is that I have just visited the French vet who said that he didn't need to see my dog before we leave France. Just pop the pills in the dog's mouth and drop the documents into the surgery sometime for him to sign and stamp. I love the way the French make the rules easy. Entente cordiale.

I am in agreement with fleurpepper but maybe I don't see Gransnet often enough to know is she has been overposting on this subject. I live in what used to be David Cameron's consituency and will never forgive him for holding such a sloppy, ill-thought-out referendum, or subsequent PMs not allowing a confirmatory vote once the nature of the Brexit deal was known. It will take years to undo the damage done and I'm sure the UK will have to rejoin the EU but don't know If I shall live to see it. (78).

As for the Gransnetter who thought it was good to leave because she wanted peace, it's the EU that has helped to ensure peace in Europe since 1945!

But one of the worse things about Brexit is that it has exposed the deep divisions in this country and made xenophobia explicit. There is much more to say but I have work to do and know that I won't convince anyone who voted leave (see above).

Why don't the people who are fed up with it just scroll on by and not comment? It was a disaster in my opinion and has had a detrimental effect on the sketching holidays I run in Europe, from next year I'll just be doing British ones and one in India, I also know many artists and crafts people who find it no longer worthwhile to sell in Europe. I won't go into any of my other arguments as it will change nobody's mind either way

I voted to stay, every successful economy has trade deals with their neighbours, why exclude 27 countries, why give our competitors an advantage plus the increase in costs it was a lose lose situation

** “told you so”

Some of us, nearly half the population, always thought it was a mistake and voted against it.
Regret having to say “told do so”.

the demise of the UK

You see FP, it's ignorant, wrong, rude and inflammatory statements like that that make people p***ed off. The UK, like so many other countries in the EU and around the world, is struggling. Why don't you go on a French, Italian or Spanish chat site and tell them how shit their countries are, whilst not actually living in them and see what reactions you get. You're incredibly rude and tactless.

MerylStreep

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#

I don't think the EU will "fall apart" but I have always thought it would change. That's my centrist view of course. I don't think extremes happen that often unless pushed by extremist politicians and a compliant electorate. I am hoping that Belusconi's death, Trump's possible incarceration and the disappearance of Johnston from the scene show a turn in the tide of populism.

As the largest trading block I think it's really unlikely that that side of things would fall apart - I certainly hope not. If it did I think we would be the greatest losers. One of our greatest pluses is that we are an island. One of our greatest difficulties is that we are an island.

It’s very lovely in so many parts of the UK too, places too numerous to mention.All this “changed beyond recognition” stuff is rubbish.The NHS has needed changes for donkeys years to make it work properly for all, but still works for serious illness and ops needed.
It seems your main concern is that you’ve not got the money you used to have, well that’s the case all through Europe.

Fleurpepper I question your words “the demise of the UK”
We are in no worse a state than most if not all other European countries.

MerylStreep

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#

the only value which has fallen through the floor is Sterling.

Yes, it is lovely where I am currently, fancy that, and I have just returned from Italy- it was very lovely too.

When we moved here 1 £ was worth x 2.50 - and it is now just about over x 1 - a loss of about 60% (and 60% of our pensionable income too).

We did not move for it to be lovely, but to look after my very elderly parents, now both gone. Why not return to the UK then, some will ask. But I do think you know the answer! The country has changed beyond recognition and at our age, with our medical history, relying on the NHS is NOT a viable option.

Genuine question. I am assuming you are living in the EU.
Are there lovely EU countries? And in which case, which ones please?

You do not live in the Uk currently? My eyes went out on sticks.

Is it lovely where you live?

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#