Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Sorry folks, have to duck out for a bit. Watching the discussion in the Commons about the Privileges Committee. Some great stuff. See you on page 38.

toscalily

I think our grandparent and parents, those who endured both the First World War and Second World War had taken the attitude of FP it would truly have been a disaster. They were made of sterner stuff and were just relieved it was over and most were just thankful to have got through and did not spend the next seven years moaning.

I would hope that those made of ‘sterner stuff’ didn’t just ‘get on with it’ but learned from it: learned how racism and xenophobia had enabled Hitler to commit the crimes that he did. And don’t tell me that Farage didn’t use racism and xenophobia in his vote leave campaign. We have to analyse and learn from historic events, not just ‘move on’ and accuse the people questioning those events as ‘whingers’.

Race, OP? Now you are accusing posters of racism? IMO that is low and pretty desperate. I can hardly credit that someone could make that accusation on a forum where most of us don’t know and don’t care about our various ethnicities. If you have to resort to accusations of that sort I suggest you stay away from this site for a while and go and look for your sense of perspective instead.

I think our grandparent and parents, those who endured both the First World War and Second World War had taken the attitude of FP it would truly have been a disaster. They were made of sterner stuff and were just relieved it was over and most were just thankful to have got through and did not spend the next seven years moaning.

Allsorts

It must be awful to let the past determine your thoughts. . Just accept it’s happened or you will get wrinkles.

I do wonder how we survived those years, managed to feed and clothe the children somehow and keep a roof over their heads. We went without a lot to do that.
Thank goodness we didn't get caught up in having to move again during the sub-prime mortgage crisis too.

It must be awful to let the past determine your thoughts. . Just accept it’s happened or you will get wrinkles.

they?? Who?

No, I'm just refuting some statements.

The only way to shut down a thread is if everyone ignored it.

Fancythat
Just one comment ( I won’t bore the arse off you)
A 60% drop in income would have been a walk in the park. 😄

Jings Fleurpepper, are they still trying to shut you down? Not doing well are they, at 35 pages!

It's cyclical.

As I have written elsewhere, I do think a financial slump is coming[no, not particularly or at all because of Brexit].
It may not start in this country. It may or may not not start in the EU either.
But I do think there is a part worldwide one coming.
So yes, I would like to hear.

Of course Maggiemaybe, pax to you as well. Thanks. Yes, sad about the animals and all the others affected by broken promises.

I would MerylStreep. I would rather not 7 times though!

1979/80 ☹

Would anyone like to hear my tail of woe Re the financial crash in 2008 ? No, I thought not. 😂

Vitriol:
a rude expression intended to offend or hurt

I totally get why you would not care a hoot
The vitriol is not from me
🤔

Fleurpepper

I do, believe me CheersmeDears.

Callistemon, I am fully aware of this. But none of them are constantly told they have no right to be really concerned about the negative effects of Brexit (not on themselves- I totally get why you would not care a hoot), but on the country and its citizens (including my close family and friends).

The vitriol is not from me.

I totally get why you would not care a hoot

Why would you say that?
Why?

Then accuse others of bullying?

The vitriol is not from me.

I would agree with you there. But the negativity, anger, moaning and complaining about the euro, Stirling, your pensions, your income and how badly you feel done by, are yours alone. Own it.

I do, believe me CheersmeDears.

Callistemon, I am fully aware of this. But none of them are constantly told they have no right to be really concerned about the negative effects of Brexit (not on themselves- I totally get why you would not care a hoot), but on the country and its citizens (including my close family and friends).

The vitriol is not from me.

racism
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Similar:
racial discrimination
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

As none of us can see one another and are not aware of another's ethnicity or race on this thread I cannot see how racism can be a valid accusation.

You mention the Windrush - did your OH arrive in that group? You don't know, though if others on here did so too or have relatives who did.
Or from Uganda when Idi Amin expelled the Asian community.
Or any other ethnic group which has arrived on these shores.

We could be from many ethnic groups and probably are.

Now, if you want to argue, as you seem to be, that someone who came to the UK as a 2 year old, 75 years ago, and one who came to the UK as a teenager, 53 years ago- both British for over 50 years, is not to be considered legally or 'socially' entitled to an opinion on things seriously affecting the country, our family and friends, and ourselves- then you are demonstrating massive prejudice, and possibly racism.

Who's that aimed at Fleurpepper? Not me I hope? I couldn't care less how old you were when you immigrated to the UK! I couldn't give a damn how long you lived here or worked here; your history is of no importance or relevance to my posts. I'm simply stating that, from your own past highly personalised and prolific posting, I've been able to deduce that you are in a privileged position, far more privileged than many other people. And they don't seem to feel the need to constantly complain, criticise and blame for the inadequacies and shortfalls in their lives. I strongly believe that that has nothing to do with where they live, how long they've lived there or how they voted in a referendum. I believe it's because they just have the ability to look around them and recognise just how many blessings they have, are thankful for them and thank their God every day. Try it.

On and on she goes.

FP - We know you extremely well through your posts which you insist are genuinely held and which reflect a carping and parochial view of the UK and its people.

Multiple posters have proved these to be at best intolerant and at worse unfounded.

As the soldier on parade said
‘ Everyone else is out of step not me’

So, I am not moaning, or bleating, but I will say this very clearly. I am just as entitled to an opinion about Brexit as any of you are, as I am British, so is my OH, and we both worked very hard in the UK all our adult lives, and are totally dependent on the pensions we worked hard for. NO, I do not complain about ourselves, at all. The very poor exchange rates for Sterling affect the whole country, every single citizen and every State sector.

Now, if you want to argue, as you seem to be, that someone who came to the UK as a 2 year old, 75 years ago, and one who came to the UK as a teenager, 53 years ago- both British for over 50 years, is not to be considered legally or 'socially' entitled to an opinion on things seriously affecting the country, our family and friends, and ourselves- then you are demonstrating massive prejudice, and possibly racism. Because racism is not just about 'race' in fact- and in the case of OH, would actually apply as he is very mixed race and arrived in 1948, at the same time as Windrush (but on another ship, from SA).

CheersMeDears

^Do you really think she only cares about her pension?^

Well, yeah, that seems to be the main bone of contention because Sterling and the euro, and its affect on her income, has been referred to no less than 7 times on this thread. Some of us don't own one home, let alone 2 in different countries. Some of us have a basic state pension and nothing else, let alone private pensions AND state pension. Some of us voted to remain in the referendum and were initially annoyed that brexit won, but have realised that endlessly whinging about it on social media bores the pants off people and achieves nothing.

But it’s the 7 year anniversary of the vote so it isn’t just Fleurpepper that’s discussing it. Why is discussing it classed as whinging purely because we still haven’t seen any benefit from it. Were the people in the ERG and Farage described as whingers when they campaigned for years about the original vote to join the EU? It has been described as the biggest act of self harm that any country has ever inflicted upon itself and, 7 years on I still haven’t seen or heard anything to make me not believe that to be true. I would happily hold up my hands and say I was wrong and that Brexit hasn’t been a disaster but I can’t. Look how close it came to destroying peace in Ireland. I could be wrong but I don’t think the situation in remain voting Gibraltar has been resolved yet so should they just put it behind them and stop whinging about it?