Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

I am British and have been for 50 years. So not only is discriminating on grounds of nationality is illegal in British Law, discriminating on false grounds and assumptions, against another British citizen, even more so

I don’t think anybody is discriminating against anybody on grounds of age, sex, nationality or anything.
Just boredom with the Groundhog Day of the same old, same old.
Like others I voted Remain and yes, many things have turned out to be shambolic, but wailing, and gnashing our teeth or rending our clothes achieves nothing. Should we start similar threads about the effects of Covid? Of Ukraine? These are much more immediate and real in the case of Russia’s nuclear threats along with cutting off our gas supplies, much more worrying.
And frankly I don’t give a monkey’s what somebody’s “young friends” “expat website friends” “ gatherings of all the nations” think. Those are third hand opinions and don’t impressa me much.
However yes, it seems to me as well as to others that there is a certain Schadenfreude in relaying these judgements.

Dickens

DaisyAnneReturns

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

DaisyAnneReturns - where from DaisyAnne?

If we talk about how we are governed today we will have to reference the current government and some of its more obvious, erm, "mis-steps" which, on here, is quite frequently regarded as 'Tory-bashing'.

Referring back to Brexit is not necessarily living in the past - it was, basically, the moment from which the whole sorry saga started. And deserves to be examined. Because a lot of people have been disappointed by what they were promised and what the reality of those promises turned into.

I haven't posted for ages Dickens and it was just to let everyone know that it was me. The short version is that I killed my computer and in the process lost my password so I had to change my name but I didn't want it to be a name that wasn't recognizable. I do realise in that in the process I've created the name of what sounds like a Famous Five book title. It was really just simply a way to say hi.

Casdon

kittylester 😂 read your response, I think you’ve been an autocorrect victim!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

And none of my posts criticise the country, au contraire but you HAVE called the UK "The Laughing Stock" Fleurpepper .

MayBee70

DaisyAnneReturns

Whitewavemark2

Brexit was and never will be a one day event. It’s ramifications are felt every day.

Indeed the changes we made are. But hammering on about a passed vote nicknamed Brexit rather than how we are governed today and tomorrow will not make anything any better.

What do you want to do? Live in the past or move forward to the future ?

We haven’t been able to move forward for the past seven years, though, because it took years to get Brexit done: and it still isn’t done. Rees Mogg didn’t point out in the run up to the referendum that it would take 50 years to reap the benefits. Mind you it only took him 7 years to reap his benefit…being honoured by Johnson for service to the country

Brexit - Britain's Exit - is done. That was what we were asked to vote on. Nothing more, nothing less. The use of the word is done simply to continue the culture war created to get the vote. So much is smoke and mirrors.

How the country is governed cannot be all about looking back. Whatever you think isn't yet done was not something we voted on. In or out was the only vote. After that, how we deal with it is up to whoever is democratically voted into government. Governments will always now be dealing with the outcome of that vote. It is and will be part and parcel of ongoing governance not separately "Brexit".

Oh we have asked, many of us, time and time again- for a list of benefits. But all we get is mockery and insults, often very personal and truly nasty.

Then why do you keep asking exactly the same questions, getting exactly the same responses and reactions and then ask again? It's like groundhog day FP! You're not going to get the responses or reactions you so desperately seem to need so, for your own well being, maybe it's time to change the record now.

kittylester 😂 read your response, I think you’ve been an autocorrect victim!

But, we are where Weare for goodness sake. No amount of breastfeeding will change it. So, we should move on with a positive attitude rather that bewailing what has happened.

BTW, I voted remain for the avoidance of doubt.

Primrose53

MerylStreep

Good grief 😱 it’s that all you’re thinking about on this glorious day. The beaches are full ( where I live) children absolutely loving it and all you can think about is Brexit, poor you.

Hear, hear, hear hear x 100

That was in reply to this by the way…

So I assume that you don’t care about the people that have been affected by Brexit both emotionally and financially? As long as you’re ok and it hasn’t affected you it doesn’t matter. And please don’t go on about how much brexiters lovetheir country: it’s because I love my country that I continue to be angry. I’m also irritated by the fact that there is an assumption that those of us that voted remain go around with long faces moaning all the time wearing sacks and beating ourselves up. Being angry about brexit doesn’t wipe out my sense of humour: crikey, if I couldn’t laugh about a lot of I really would be in a bad way!

Oh goodness!

I was banned once, on totally wrong grounds, and re-instated as it was clear the complaints were totally unfounded, and in circumstances relating to a very sad case I shall never ever discuss, out of respect.

Poppyred

You always cause trouble Fleurpepper no matter what you call yourself, and then pretend to be innocent. How many times have you been banned from this site?

Come on, don’t be shy, tell us?

Millions of people Do Not Agree with your views…….get over it!

Reported as personal attack irrelevant to the thread. What was your previous name.

I am British and have been for 50 years. So not only is discriminating on grounds of nationality is illegal in British Law, discriminating on false grounds and assumptions, against another British citizen, even more so.

Dickens

Kandinsky

As we try to recover from the hammer blows of brexit

I haven’t noticed a single difference tbh.
I think that’s true for most people.

Which rather begs the question... why did we leave?

It was meant to make a difference - isn't that why people voted for it?

Which, if it makes no difference if we're in or out, rather begs the question - is there any point to it?

I did think there was but 🤔

MerylStreep

Good grief 😱 it’s that all you’re thinking about on this glorious day. The beaches are full ( where I live) children absolutely loving it and all you can think about is Brexit, poor you.

Hear, hear, hear hear x 100

Daisymae

Not only was Brexit a catastrophic mistake, I believe that our grandchildren's generation will be forced to rejoin in some form on much more detrimental terms. So it's quite a valid topic, it hasn't gone away. The UK are still trying to make trade deals with our closest allies after all these years, hardly oven ready. The public were influenced by lies, probably enough by Johnson, to swing the vote. There's a lot of topics that I have no interest on gransnet but I wouldn't dream of posting on the thread and say how it's so boring.

Me neither and the subject is not boring, Daisymae.
It's how it's presented that is important for any meaningful discussion.

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Not only was Brexit a catastrophic mistake, I believe that our grandchildren's generation will be forced to rejoin in some form on much more detrimental terms. So it's quite a valid topic, it hasn't gone away. The UK are still trying to make trade deals with our closest allies after all these years, hardly oven ready. The public were influenced by lies, probably enough by Johnson, to swing the vote. There's a lot of topics that I have no interest on gransnet but I wouldn't dream of posting on the thread and say how it's so boring.

Joseann

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

A sensible discussion with facts and questions about the impact Johnson has had on the whole process is one thing but this is just another anti-Brexit, anti-British, 'the whole world is laughing at you all' goady thread.

Then drop out.

Simple🙂

Why drop out of the thread when many people see an agenda here? I wasn't around on GN during Brexit times, but even I am getting quite a good picture of how the disappointment of the result has turned some Remainers very sour towards others, who are only trying to get on with life and don't like their country being constantly criticised.

Whose country? MY country too, my OH's country too, my childrens and grandchildrens, and family and friends. Why do you think it is not my country? There are many of us who live abroad, have you told them that therefore it is no longer their country?

And none of my posts criticise the country, au contraire- but what has and is being done to an amazing great country- and for what? Not a single person has been able to mention one single benefit of Brexit- not even Rees-Mogg who was appointed and paid handsomely to do so.

Oh we have asked, many of us, time and time again- for a list of benefits. But all we get is mockery and insults, often very personal and truly nasty.

Josianne
and don’t like their country being constantly criticised
The same as I can criticise my children but don’t you dare.
I suppose we should be used to it after all these years, but we’re not.

Of course it has to be discussed. One of the most serious political mistakes driven by opportunism. Politicians must learn from it as must we all. And we have to find a way back to the advantages gained by politicians of a more considered time including Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher. We also should reflect on the status of referendums in the UK: it was a blunder by Cameron which caused the Brexit one to go beyond being advisory to Parliament.

How many years did it take the anti EU lot to turn round the original vote?

Oreo

The vote happened seven years ago!
DaisyAnneReturns is quite right where she lays the blame no matter where she returns from.

The vote happened seven years ago!

So? Is there a time-limit on political events after which they can't be talked about?

It's not about "the vote" anyway - it's about the ongoing effects of the decision taken at that time.

Quote Fleurpepper Sun 11-Jun-23 12:38:57
Oh Poppyred, come off it! Everybody has known for a very long time. What were you called before, and Oreo
Who, do tell?
Don't feel sorry for me, despite being seriously affected by Brexit is so so many ways, as MayBe70 says- I have a magical life. So don't waste your sorry on me
I have no intention of wasting any sorry on anybody

The vote happened seven years ago!
DaisyAnneReturns is quite right where she lays the blame no matter where she returns from.