Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Well you voted for it. A majority, that is , so not everyone here was against it, were they ? Maybe in future more research should be done beforehand with less belief in the rich people who control the news.

Fleurpepper

Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?

Idéfix springs to mind!

Joseann

No Dinahmo, I no longer live in France but am visiting French friends I haven't seen for 5 years (covid etc.). That is why our conversation touched briefly on Brexit, but you're right that we are all far more interested in talking about each others' fsmilies, our house projects, hobbies and of course wine!

Of course, as Brexit was 7 years ago.Doubt very much that anyone other than British who live in France/Germany is still rumbling on moaning about it.

Joseann

^Some personal inconveniences at airports maybe.^ Not to mention £250 vet's fee to get the dog brought over with us,*Oreo*! Grrrr!
(But hey ho.)

Is that your doggie growling Joseann? 😲😃
I can see leaving the EU bloc has ups and downs and pets/ airport is a down.

You may all be fed up with Brexit talk but it is increasingly obviously a disaster. Politicians need to get their heads round how to remedy that and that involves keeping the issue on the public agenda, not burying it.

Joseann

I have spent the past 10 days discussing with French friends how they see us and the answer is, pretty much as they saw us before Brexit. Why would they not, when we are fundamentally still the same people with common goals? That turbulent, but strong, Franco-British relationship is still very much intact and both countries are still working side by side on many projects, eg. nuclear reactors and car manufacturing. No one Ihave spoken to believes that the UK has become the laughing stock of Europe just because it signed a piece of paper to leave the Union. The consequences might be somewhat lamentable, but not unworkable and not totally pessimistic.

hmmm not my experience at all. Most French people I talk with express a sadness and shaking of the head at the mess
Britain seems to be .

It was the way Brenda said it that was so funny!

No Dinahmo, I no longer live in France but am visiting French friends I haven't seen for 5 years (covid etc.). That is why our conversation touched briefly on Brexit, but you're right that we are all far more interested in talking about each others' fsmilies, our house projects, hobbies and of course wine!

The point is it’s not all in the past - we have to live with the economic and social consequences of the mess. The current state of the Tory party and what it has done to this country is testament to that. The fact that we have to live with the fallout is why it will continue to be discussed. It’s like saying that World War 2 is over so we must never speak of it again. Surely we must learn something from history and try to mitigate the damage.

All in the past, now. I just hope the UK doesn’t get totally isolated politically and financially because of it.

I can't imagine going on holiday to a lovely place, meeting lots of potentially interesting people, Germans, French, Czechs, Italians, Swiss, Americans and Japanese and talking about Brexit!!

Dinahmo

I'd like to know what is meant by 'Brenda'? I always thought it referred to the late Queen ( as in Private Eye)

Brenda is a lovely lady from Bristol who was accosted by a reporter in the street and asked what she thought about the 2017 snap General Election.
She said
“Not another one! There’s too much politics going on at the moment!”

I did wonder where you were, Fleurpepper and thought you might be busy with the donkey if he/she has arrived.

I'd like to know what is meant by 'Brenda'? I always thought it referred to the late Queen ( as in Private Eye)

Joseann

I have spent the past 10 days discussing with French friends how they see us and the answer is, pretty much as they saw us before Brexit. Why would they not, when we are fundamentally still the same people with common goals? That turbulent, but strong, Franco-British relationship is still very much intact and both countries are still working side by side on many projects, eg. nuclear reactors and car manufacturing. No one Ihave spoken to believes that the UK has become the laughing stock of Europe just because it signed a piece of paper to leave the Union. The consequences might be somewhat lamentable, but not unworkable and not totally pessimistic.

I assume that you don't live in France. I do and Brexit is no longer discussed because we - most English and the French - have nothing more to say on the subject of Brexit. They don't understand why we left the EU and are rather sorry for us. The few English living here that supported Brexit - goodness knows why - are keeping very quiet and tend to mix only with like minded people.

The French are no longer interested in why we left - there are better things to talk about.

Fleurpepper

Teddy bears? If I saw a post about Teddy Bears- I would not read it, or comment, as it would have no significance for me.

I would not have bothered to post about the future of Brexit again, was it not for the fact that Johnson's disapperance opens the whole thing again. Brexit does not work, cannot be made to work, and is an unmitigated disaster.

So I am afraid, it will be talked about again and again for a very long time to come. Whether you ignore it or not, find it boring or annoying, or repetitive, or whatever. It won't go away- and has not even been implemented in full yet. All the experts agree, and most of Labour and the Tories agree. Done? Oh no it is NOT. Head in the sand, or not.

What exactly do you want from this thread, fp?

You have some posters agreeing with you and some disagreeing so unless you want it to descend into what HQ often refers to as a bun fight I think you’ve made your point.

I’m at a loss to know what more you expect from us. Hackneyed phrases like ‘head in the sand’ etc., no longer have any impact. Life goes on.

Think it would have been better, fp, if your original post had given the context that you mention later of BJ claiming that his supposed partygate critics were motivated by a desire to undo Brexit. That surprised me too.

You started one.
Great! Thanks.

Teddy bears? If I saw a post about Teddy Bears- I would not read it, or comment, as it would have no significance for me.

I would not have bothered to post about the future of Brexit again, was it not for the fact that Johnson's disapperance opens the whole thing again. Brexit does not work, cannot be made to work, and is an unmitigated disaster.

So I am afraid, it will be talked about again and again for a very long time to come. Whether you ignore it or not, find it boring or annoying, or repetitive, or whatever. It won't go away- and has not even been implemented in full yet. All the experts agree, and most of Labour and the Tories agree. Done? Oh no it is NOT. Head in the sand, or not.

Dickens

fancythat

I presume you were not really talking about me particularly.

But sounds like enough is enough by this particular person on this particular subject for most people.
Cant say I blame them.
Brexit happened in 2016! or was it 2017.

I dont know what subject irritates you MD.
And I presume there is no limit to how many times a poster can post about something over and over.
But say teddy bears are not your thing. I dare say you would not want to read endless, and it probably is endless, threads about teddy bears.

I could start one today. One tomorrow. One the next day..

But say teddy bears are not your thing. I dare say you would not want to read endless, and it probably is endless, threads about teddy bears.

I quite like teddy bears.

But, if I didn't - I wouldn't actually bother to read what anybody had written about them.

Can't people do the same with Brexit threads?

I am sooo tempted to write multiple threads about teddy bears .
Trouble with me is, I can be persuaded about things sometimes!

Probably a bit goady if I did so.
Shame.

But?..

And huge pressure on Starmer to finally admit Brexit can't be made to work (which was always clear for many of us. Project Fear, many of you said - has truly and firmly become 'project reality' - whether you want to admit or not will make no difference. )

Nothing goady or agressive about my post- a simple question.

What's done is done (not) is not an answer to that question.

Rude, condescending, patronising, and more.

And no, what is not done is done ... and with the demise of Johnson, the book is wide opened again. Brexit is, by the way, NOT done, not done at all, and not yet implemented in so many ways, as most of the Tories realise how much more damage it will inflict.

Joseann, today I was with a large group of Germans, French, Czechs, Italians, Swiss, Americans and Japanese - all experessed concern about the state of what GREAT Britain- and very sad and upset about it- but many jokes flying around too. Are you on a British pension in Sterling by any chance? Or running an import/export business?

Tedious is the least of your worries- keep that head firmly in the sand, it won't make it go away.

I was in Italy for last couple of weeks, in a very international setting- and we were asked again and again about Brexit- with people shaking their heads. And YES, we are the laughing stock, when people don't pity us.

The demise of Johnson puts all the balls up in the air again!

The problem with threads like these is the opening tone is often goady & aggressive.
Why should anyone who voted for brexit have to justify themselves to the op?
As previous posters have said, this subject has been done to death. If someone is still really angry that we’re no longer in a trading bloc then they need help from family & friends ( or maybe their GP )
It’s done. It’s over.

It’s done, we’re not a laughing stock and we need to focus on the future and the environment especially. Lots of countries are struggling with the same problems as we are. It’s a bit tedious to keep dragging it up to be honest.

I have spent the past 10 days discussing with French friends how they see us and the answer is, pretty much as they saw us before Brexit. Why would they not, when we are fundamentally still the same people with common goals? That turbulent, but strong, Franco-British relationship is still very much intact and both countries are still working side by side on many projects, eg. nuclear reactors and car manufacturing. No one Ihave spoken to believes that the UK has become the laughing stock of Europe just because it signed a piece of paper to leave the Union. The consequences might be somewhat lamentable, but not unworkable and not totally pessimistic.

MaizieD

All you have to do, you know, is ignore Fp's post. No need to leap into attack mode.

I agree with Fp that Brexit has been a disaster, not least because it gave us the most corrupt and self seeking PM that we have had in my life time.

It's entirely possible to be leading a perfectly contented daily life and still be angry about the cost to other fellow citizens and the degradation of the UK.

Since Johnson is blaming those who he says were determined to stop / reverse / delay / whatever - Brexit for the 'witch-hunt' that lead him to resign - rather than admit that he's part and parcel of a political party that notoriously goes in for a bit of back-stabbing (him included) when it suits, then it might mean that he's put Brexit back on the menu anyway.

But that aside, why does anyone who's bored with the whole thing even bother to read or comment?