Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Fleurpepper
Maggiemaybe
And……..they’re off!

oh they are- what fun! I am very sure that if any list would make any sense, we would be able to discuss sensibly. But there are none, and those few given just don't make any sense- so they will be exposed as being such.

Excuse me?!

After many demands from you for a list of Brexit benefits, I posted a link to one showing at least (at a quick count) 80 benefits HM Government claim to have wrought from Brexit. Plus plans for the future.

Here it is again, just in case you missed it.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1054643/benefits-of-brexit.pdf

As I said And no doubt much will be up for debate or scorn. But there are some actual benefits in there.

So I was expecting that, as you “requested” it so many times, you’d have the courtesy at least to have a look through the document, and maybe discuss the merits or otherwise of the points made?

What about it?

I'm not sure about Norfolk, but I'm just sailing home ftom Brittany where there are rural farmers inland and very wealthy bourgeois types around the coastline.
Interestingly, according to poll figures, 46% of Bretons are pessimistic about the future of the EU, though that doesn't necessarily mean they would vote for Frexit.

Fleurpepper May I ask, are you referring to the UK or Switzerland when you said this?

"The comment about Norfolk would apply to other rural regions- including the one where I live now. A mix of locals who have always lived there and have therefore a limited view (fair enough) and wealthy incomers, many retired, in larger houses, who are very Conservative (and a few exceptions in between). They are the areas where Brexit is still favoured, unlike the rest of the country.

Oh well, since we are now quoting the 'Good Book', thought I would consult the 'Good Google'. Lots of answers to my questions on there, including that BREXIT is costing us £100 billion a year. Not sure if that's the British or the USA way of counting billions, but it is still a big loss, every year.

I pretty much avoid Question Time like the plague but will definitely be watching this Thursdays Brexit only QT from Clayton.

😁

There is only one person with a limited view.🇨🇭

Oreo

fancythat

A Bible verse I happened to read this morning

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing personal opinion.

Which bit of the bible is that in? It doesn’t sound to be written nearly 2,000 years ago or longer.

Proverbs
Much of the book of Proverbs sounds like it was written yesterday.

Proverbs, Chapter 18, verse 2

You and me both Norah.

Before I moved to Norfolk I lived near three very elderly unmarried brothers. They had lived in the village since birth. One had been to the nearby market town. Another had been to London once. The third had never set foot outside the village. As they worked in agriculture they were exempt from war service. They were however very knowledgeable about a wealth of matters, up to date with current affairs, capable of interesting and lively debate and had amassed a considerable fortune over the years. Of limited views they were not. But they had extremely good manners.

Germanshepherdsmum

But Norah, as you have always lived in a rural area Fleurpepper believes you have ‘a limited view’ - which in my book translates as ‘you are ignorant of important matters which only those of us who have lived in urban areas know about’. I’ve been a country dweller since I was 2 years old, therefore clearly of limited intellect.

Oh well, I'll take 'happy to be in Suffolk' limited intellect any day.

Germanshepherdsmum

But Norah, as you have always lived in a rural area Fleurpepper believes you have ‘a limited view’ - which in my book translates as ‘you are ignorant of important matters which only those of us who have lived in urban areas know about’. I’ve been a country dweller since I was 2 years old, therefore clearly of limited intellect.

It was a put down Germanshepherdsmum pure and simple.

Fleurpepper The comment about Norfolk would apply to other rural regions- including the one where I live now. A mix of locals who have always lived there and have therefore a limited view (fair enough) and wealthy incomers, many retired, in larger houses, who are very Conservative (and a few exceptions in between). They are the areas where Brexit is still favoured, unlike the rest of the country.

Insulting and ridiculously incorrect.

Mind you it’s a good quote😂

But Norah, as you have always lived in a rural area Fleurpepper believes you have ‘a limited view’ - which in my book translates as ‘you are ignorant of important matters which only those of us who have lived in urban areas know about’. I’ve been a country dweller since I was 2 years old, therefore clearly of limited intellect.

fancythat

A Bible verse I happened to read this morning

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing personal opinion.

Which bit of the bible is that in? It doesn’t sound to be written nearly 2,000 years ago or longer.

‘Locals who have always lived there and have therefore a limited view’. How insulting can you get? Do you believe that the farmers in rural areas who have not been helped by Brexit - nobody to harvest the crops for instance- have a limited view? That they are of inferior intelligence because they have always lived in a rural area? Your rudeness and arrogance are astonishing.

And how strange that your husband refuses to return to the UK because of ‘horror stories’ about the NHS. You have to pay for mandatory health insurance in Switzerland, no free healthcare - what’s to stop you having private treatment in the UK, which obviously you can afford?

Maremia

FLEURPEPPER, 32 pages and still growing. Is this a record for a topic, that everyone was so over, and was fed up discussing?

I enjoy discussing European matters. We don't have any other threads where I can whet my appetite quite as much.

X post while you answered Fleurpepper .

kittylester

There is no list of benefits because most of us think that 'it is what it is' and 'we are where we are' and no amount of raking over old events will change things.

FP, if your pensions are so affected, could you not come home to live? As I said before, we are in a similar financial position to you and are fine financially - in fact you will have more pension income than us as I was a SAHM.

Added to that, and again you are aware, that the NHS has served my family and friends brilliantly recently. You would be in the same Trust area as us and I can vouch for the service available.

Plus, you would be closer to your family.

All said very sincerely.

Agreed.

It is what it is. "Stuff happens, oh well." (via our GD)

There are cheap areas in middle Suffolk as in Norfolk to our North. I was/am a sahm, we do well with "only" his pension.

FLEURPEPPER, 32 pages and still growing. Is this a record for a topic, that everyone was so over, and was fed up discussing?

Fleurpepper, if your pension doesn't stretch far enough abroad, then I can understand what you are saying in terms of daily living costs. I've just been looking at our fairly modest expenditure on food in France, self-catering, and it is certainly a lot more expensive than in the UK. Petrol too is dearer than in England, and unusually for France parking fees have become steep too. I'm not yet in receipt of any pension, but our food bill while abroad, does seem a lot higher than in days gone by, and certainly exceeds our shopping bills for similar in Cornwall. (Not talking about exchange rate here).
So in that respect, kittylester is correct, to say that returning to the UK might help you financially.

Maggiemaybe

^And no doubt much will be up for debate or scorn.^

Wanting individual G’netters to list the benefits just gives opportunities for more arguments. ( maybe that’s the point? )

And……..they’re off!

oh they are- what fun!

I am very sure that if any list would make any sense, we would be able to discuss sensibly. But there are none, and those few given just don't make any sense- so they will be exposed as being such.

The comment about Norfolk would apply to other rural regions- including the one where I live now. A mix of locals who have always lived there and have therefore a limited view (fair enough) and wealthy incomers, many retired, in larger houses, who are very Conservative (and a few exceptions in between). They are the areas where Brexit is still favoured, unlike the rest of the country.

I know you say this sincerely kitty, thank you.

But the answer is a big NO, as OH will not hear of it- as he is so disappointed about what is happening to the health service, and all the horror stories (from close quarter) we are getting all the time.

The point being, again, that the demise of Johnson and the ERG, and the GE to come - is changing the situation altogether, and the public has turned away in droves. Polls are polls, but they all agree that only about 30% still would vote for Brexit now.

Fortunately, the GCs are old enough to jump on a plane and come to spend time with us, and with their friends, which is fabulous. As said, the exchange rate was just given as an example, and it is others who have personalised this thread to, again, pile on me. As said above, same old, same old.

We will be fine, and we are very flexible and adaptable. And this is so NOT about us. Regards.

The exchange rate issue is a huge problem for the UK, as it has to import so much (won't give list again).

And no doubt much will be up for debate or scorn.

Wanting individual G’netters to list the benefits just gives opportunities for more arguments. ( maybe that’s the point? )

And……..they’re off!