Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

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It's a GCSE project Kandinsky, has to be in by 12 noon BST on 18/6/2023.
Failure to do so will result in detention.

I think teacher has set you your homework kandinsky.

Is that some sort of one-upmanship Fleurpepper? A childish contest as to who knows the area where I live best? Yes, we have Conservative MPs but let me assure you that not every owner of an expensive home here that I know votes for that party. I have neighbours who own properties in EU countries who, amazingly, carry on with their lives living part of the year here and part in the EU. Their children and grandchildren live in the UK. Even they are not obsessed with Brexit, sad though we all were in the immediate aftermath of the vote. They don’t dwell on it and talk about it all the time. They and we have accepted the situation and moved on. Why on earth can’t you?

For when I come back Kandinsky, could you please make a list of Brexit benefits?

Come on Kandinsky jump to it . The OP 's arrogance is breathtaking !

Fleurpepper

I don’t know anything about you - apart from your views on Brexit. Up until 5 minutes ago I didn’t know you lived abroad,
I don’t read every post on every thread, and even when I do read posts I forget ( almost immediately ) who posted it.

Anyway, enjoy your garden!
It’s a lovely day here in the UK too.

Kandinsky

Why is someone who doesn’t live in the UK or EU obsessed with Brexit?

You know very well why. Because we are British and totally dependent on British pensions as we have lived and worked all our life in Great Britain. And with all our family still there, ACs, GCs, and so many great friends. Because we love our country, and find it so desperately sad to see it being affected so badly. But you KNOW this, as I have explained this many times.

Of course I will be back- but for now, garden calls, then friends and dog walk. Bye for now.

For when I come back Kandinsky, could you please make a list of Brexit benefits? Many of us have asked politely many times, but somehow, we have not yet seen one, at all.

Kandinsky

Why is someone who doesn’t live in the UK or EU obsessed with Brexit?

Ah, that’s the £64,000 question we’ve been asking since 2016.

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed Foxy. I have spent an annual holiday in this area with family for more years than I can remember, before moving here seven years ago. I therefore know just a smidgen more about what goes on here than the OP. She might be surprised at the number of wealthy professionals who have chosen to retire to these parts, hence the pockets of very high property prices - we are not a bunch of ignorant carrot crunchers.

No-one has said this. Those who have paid huge sums of money to live there are, most of them, Conservatives.

Yes, we have spent most of our family holidays in North Norfolk, which is one of our favourite places in the UK. And we have close relatives and friends there too.

Doesn’t make sense to me.

Why is someone who doesn’t live in the UK or EU obsessed with Brexit?

Looks like the OP has left us in peace, but like the Terminator she’ll be back. I guarantee it.

Good for you fancythat. I think we’re basically being called guilty, delusional liars with our heads in the sand regardless of how we voted in the referendum. And this from someone who lives in neither the UK nor the EU.

I don’t think brexit is a disaster, as I’ve said before, I haven’t noticed a single difference in the 7 or 8 years since we voted ( or is it 9 years? )
Why vote for it then?
Because I like knowing we’re no longer tied to the EU - that’s enough for me.
I honestly can’t think of a single negative to being out of the EU, & I’m still so proud of the UK for voting to leave. 👏

Here is the link to the full article

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/15/boris-johnson-brexit-britain-think-again-eu

Not even the tiniest of violins for our loss of income of 60%- I get it, fair enough, it was just given as an example (and yes, not all due to Brexit, but a combination of factors).

But the loss of Sterling value is very significant on the price paid by UK on servicing the enormous debt, the cost of energy, essential chemicals, medicines, food of every kind, energy, cars and 1000s of other goods, industrial chain parts and materials, incl. construction, etc, etc. No exageration here, I can assure you. Depending where the UK has to import 'stuff' - not only does it have to pay important taxes and charges and increased costs of every kind (and soon an extra fee for each consignment)- but it also has to cover the loss due to exchange rates. This will be more for some countries or economic areas, depending on local currency, and will keep changing. The Pound seems to have somewhat stabilised, but no-one knows what will happen next.

When the Pound is low - it seriously affects the UK's buying power, and this is even more so when there are shortages elsewhere, If and when there is a glut to sell, exporters will agree to take on some of the loss in exchange rates. When there are shortages, they will sell to the closest, nearest, easiest, with a good rate of exchange or none (as EU to EU for instance), as well as to those in their 'club'- partners.

Why should they sell to those who are difficult to reach in so so many ways (see the situation in Dover last few years), expensive to reach, and with low purchasing power due to low exchange rates- and no longer a partner. ? Why oh why would they? As said, especially when there are shortages. Food, medicines, energy, chemicals, parts- you name it. Some things you can choose to buy local- like meat and veg. If you have the money, of course- and in the middle of inflation and cost of living crisis, when people are truly struggling- the local farm or butcher's is not going to be a choice for all, not even on GN.

So, Brexit is taboo, boring, repetitive, annoying - oh I could not agree more. But something will have to be done- and the departure of Johnson and the ERG is the beginning. GE will be the next stage. Even if it is, taboo, boring, repetitive and annoying.

Another gorgeous day here. So will leave you to it.

Indeed Foxy. I have spent an annual holiday in this area with family for more years than I can remember, before moving here seven years ago. I therefore know just a smidgen more about what goes on here than the OP. She might be surprised at the number of wealthy professionals who have chosen to retire to these parts, hence the pockets of very high property prices - we are not a bunch of ignorant carrot crunchers.

Foxygloves

Sat 17-Jun-23 21:55:36
Not insulting at all- I have spent enough time in North Norfolk to make the comment

Yet again, somebody who claims to know better than the people who actually live there (and I use the word both in the sense of “vraiment ” as well as “actuellement”)

And this
And that is because they know it is a disaster. And when you are part of a disaster, and helped it on the way- well, you'd rather forget about it- and that others did too. It is quite obvious and simple.

Telling others what they are thinking, instisting that you know, well it is all just not on. So very far from not on.

The arrogance is breathtaking.

Effectively calling them liars.
I do not lie.
I do not think as you are saying.

All way beyond the pale for me.

Being so far wrong, and after all the comments, no point me commenting further. I quit.

Foxygloves

If only Keir Starmer would nail his colours to the pro- European mast.
But Labour are just as pro- Brexit as the Tories.

That’s not true. Keir just realises that we have to rebuild our relationship with Europe and that is what a Labour government will do. It isn’t the same as being pro Brexit. He’s just been pragmatic. Unlike Corbyn he was on our peoples vote marches. What he does need to do is openly say that Brexit has been a disaster but then the red wall voters will accuse him of planning to take us back into the EU and will vote Conservative again and that will be a disaster for both them and the country.

I have said so many times, Fleurpepper, that I voted to remain. So did my husband and immediate family. What’s my reason for not wanting this constant barrage from you then? Answer - I accept what has happened and know that I can do nothing to change it. The major political parties will I have no doubt seek to work more closely with the EU, but not to rejoin.

As for the above behaviour by some, bordering on bullying and intimidation
Oh it is so easy to play the “bullying, intimidation “ card regardless of how rude a person has been about others or their opinions.

If I say Nobody I know ….etc, that is precisely because nobody I know…etc.
If your position is otherwise @ Greta , that’s fine. I am not commenting on you or indeed anybody you know.

It is not the same as contradicting somebody who lives in Norfolk and saying “ I have spent enough time in North Norfolk to make the comment” blah, blah, blah.

There are very good reasons why Brexiters don't want to talk about Brexit. And turn to mockery, personal attacks, and comments as the one above. And that is because they know it is a disaster. And when you are part of a disaster, and helped it on the way- well, you'd rather forget about it- and that others did too. It is quite obvious and simple.

But as said, Johnson departure and the demise of the ERG, have changed the scene totally. Whether you believe me or not, is irrelevant. As for the above behaviour by some, bordering on bullying and intimidation- then I'll take it on the chin with a pinch of salt. Of course, no-one but no-one can force anyone to read this, nor to respond- so if you do, it is entirely your choice, not mine.

Excellent article in the Guardian explains how the situation has changed

'That is why, in an important sense, these past few days are fundamentally about Brexit. Until recently, Brexit had become a taboo. It felt inevitable that a generation would have to pass before it was politically possible for a new form of relationship to be constructed with the EU that would undo the harm of the vote in 2016. Economic struggles, the challenges of climate and migration, and the war in Ukraine all make the need for that rebuilding more pressing. A steady shift in public opinion towards closer cooperation, followed by Johnson’s fall, now opens the door to a much more determined re-engagement.

That will not be easy. But the biggest lie that Johnson ever told, and the one that was most widely believed, was over Brexit. It has resulted in the largest piece of damage of the many he inflicted on the country. Johnson’s fall and unpopularity ought, therefore, to reopen Britain’s relationship with Europe. That is too big a question for this or any other future government to keep locked away in the too-difficult box. It is time, in other words, to take back control.'

Lumiere

I take it that you haven't seen the latest disgraceful party Tory shenanigans GSM
A room full of kids partying the night away
Do you know something, my SIL brought my little granddaughters around to sit on the lawn , the youngest needed a wee , fancy having to agonise if that was allowed
All the while the Tories were living it large
The apologists need to stop
Right now

I don’t know what that has to do with this thread.
All I will say, is: more fool you giving thought to if your granddaughter can use your toilet
. Seriously 😟

Greta

Yes, just as posters on here know that "nobody I know ever discuss Brexit." Whereas the topic frequently crops up in my circles. Still, they know better.

If someone says nobody they know still harps on about Brexit, that person obviously mixes in different circles to you. It doesn’t mean that nobody discusses it - we have a poster here who seems to talk about nothing else.

Lumiere

I take it that you haven't seen the latest disgraceful party Tory shenanigans GSM
A room full of kids partying the night away
Do you know something, my SIL brought my little granddaughters around to sit on the lawn , the youngest needed a wee , fancy having to agonise if that was allowed
All the while the Tories were living it large
The apologists need to stop
Right now

Er - where did that come from? I might be a Conservative voter but I am not an apologist for rule breaking.

If only Keir Starmer would nail his colours to the pro- European mast.
But Labour are just as pro- Brexit as the Tories.