Yet another MP, ignorant about biology.

I'm not surprised.

I only watched about 15 seconds. That was more than enough!

A video :
"What Is a Woman - Wrong Answers Only"

twitter.com/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/1666518433884676135?t=ifj7XxpNQ5DxzDfctamV3A&s=19

I agree with all three paragraphs Doodledog.
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I don't think that children should be forced to call someone 'he' if they can see that they are talking to a woman (and vice versa). This is gaslighting, and teaches them not to trust the evidence of their eyes, which is a dangerous thing to do and has safeguarding implications.

I think that adults should have a choice of whether or not to offer preferred pronouns, but that there should be no consequences for those who choose not to, or who prefer to use the pronouns that align with sex rather than so-called 'gender'.

Further, I think that insisting that everyone in a workplace declare preferred pronouns on emails or on screens in virtual meetings should be disallowed, so that those who wish to separate work and private lives can do so, and so that nobody feels compelled to disclose anything about themselves that that is their choice.

I'll use someone's preferred name because a name doesn't mean anything, even if it's usually been a name for one sex or the other.
I won't use a person's preferred pronouns because pronouns do have a meaning specifically linked to the person's sex.
Someone's wish for wrong-sex pronouns means they are pretending to be that sex.

In order not to cause upset I'll avoid using the correct pronouns by using their name or changing the sentence some other way.

IMO Doodledog preferred personal pronouns shouldn't be an option in schools but I can't see that happening now. Still find it hard to believe it was ever allowed in the first place.

Parents and their children for example need to know what the rules are regarding preferred pronouns etc.
Sorry, but I don't think there should be rules about preferred pronouns. People can express a preference, but nobody has a right to impose their preference on other people, particularly in the case of children.

Authority and backup/support are fundamental Molly and for schools, absolute clarity for staff, parents and pupils which should be across all schools.

Parents and their children for example need to know what the rules are regarding preferred pronouns etc.

It should be schools and police and parents protecting the children, but they need to have the authority to do it and know they’ll have back up when they do.

The introduction of new meanings for
Be kind, inclusive, woke and diversity make it difficult to protect children without having that authority to protect and knowing you’ll be supported when you exercise that authority.

Absolutely.

And until there's unified action from schools, the police and adults in general there's a void and that is never a good thing.

The last thing we need is vigilante bands of fascists seeing themselves as necessary to police things. The risk is that this will spread, in the name of protecting the vulnerable. It is hard to argue that children should not be protected against obviously inappropriate behaviour, but it should be schools, the police and adults in general who should be doing it, not blackshirts.

You're right of course Doodledog that the drag event shouldn't have been happening in the first place and as you say, there were some far right opposing the event, which is something.

At least some of the protestors are far right thugs, opposed to the event. It is another example of how the extremism of a few leads to problems for the moderate. There is no excuse for the thuggery, but the drag event should not be happening in the first place, and of course the TRAs are evidence that this is all being done in the name of 'culture wars'.

Well I'm not holding my breath Molly but it's good to know I'm not alone in my denseness.

Smileless2012

Thanks for the link DL. Another example of the cowardly thuggery of TRA's, some of whom aren't even brave enough to have their faces uncovered.

Nor I'm probably being a bit dense but can someone explain to me what concern about an extremely flamboyant, heavily made up drag queen reading stories to children, has to do with trans rights?

I’m equally dense, in that I don’t see the connection, but I don’t doubt someone will be along to explain it away soon.

Thanks for the link DL. Another example of the cowardly thuggery of TRA's, some of whom aren't even brave enough to have their faces uncovered.

Nor I'm probably being a bit dense but can someone explain to me what concern about an extremely flamboyant, heavily made up drag queen reading stories to children, has to do with trans rights?

Apparently this has been a monthly thing, and the ructions go on a long while, so, yes, I would guess any children attending would see it.

God knows who would take small children to this,even without the arguments.🙄

That looks horrific DiamondLily.

If that was all happening at 6am, were they still there when children were arriving?

Smileless2012

'kind' appears to be one of the most consistently misused words.

Quite!

Well, this all ended well. Not. 🙄

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231427/Chaos-drag-queen-childrens-event-Trans-activists-clash-conservative-protesters.html

Be kind often means agree with what I’m saying.

'kind' appears to be one of the most consistently misused words.

The trouble now is that the word is used (apart from the original meaning of a form of ‘awake’) in three ways - one to describe an inclusive point of view and the holders of that viewpoint, one to claim that view for oneself (even, as said above, when doing so is, in fact, exclusionary because of assumptions and stereotyping of those who disagree on a small but fundamental point of faith) and thirdly to sneer at people who are trying to be inclusionary.

It is sometimes easy to tell how it is being used at a given time, but not always. Like ‘kind’, it is a word that no longer has a fixed meaning.