Yet another MP, ignorant about biology.

Is she transgender? If so, then she is correct; she was born male but now identifies as female.
Her chromosomes remain unchanged, though.

Sorry, she now identifies as a woman as she cannot change sex, of course; her chromosomes will remain those of a male.

She can’t have done O level Biology then!

Sorry, I didn’t know KB was a he. The same still applies. If you’re going to make a public speech, you don’t say you assume something you can easily check. I believe KB also says that a transwoman is an adult human female. Definitely no idea about biology. Saying what you want to be true doesn’t make a lie into the truth.

I'm not sure how commonly available a chromosome test is for the average person, so it would possibly be difficult to get that confirmation. Perhaps someone will be along to advise.

It's entirely possible that her chromosomes are not XY, or XX.

You do realise they teach a very simplified version narrative re chromosomes in high schools? An estimated 1.7% globally have different sex chromosomes to the 2 aforementioned categories of xx and xy. In the UK that's over a million people? This whole 'sex is binary' thing is factually inaccurate. We can look down an electron microscope and see that it is inaccurate.

All that being said, you're perfectly right, no amount of surgery will change your chromosomes. In that case, if you're not strictly male or female, what do you do? This is a serious question, I'm actually asking? You've been raised as a boy, you desperately feel that you're a girl, turns out your chromosomes are neither. How are you supposed to participate in society where people literally take to the Internet to discuss how your existence is impossible because their high school science teacher told them so 50 years ago? Please someone explain?

The above isn't directed at any specific poster by the way, its a collective societal type of 'you'

Great post Herefornow - thank you.

Well I've managed over 70 years without my chromosomes ever mattering or being discussed, so I don't really see that it matters now.

Exactly Glorianny! I said similar on a Mumsnet thread and got my head well & truly bitten off… All this obsession with men/women/transgender seems disproportionate to me.

Oh good some sexism first thing in the morning. Raised a boy.
And some inaccurate science. 'If you are not a boy or a girl' Do you think there is a third sex?

They don't test chromosomes at birth. They just have a look at what's between your legs.

Everything she said is true, not sure what terrible thing she has done to deserve a gransnet thread

We generally don't know what is in people's pants

People aren't defined by their genitals either and doing so is sexist

Indeed it's a mystery what sex Boris Johnson is, and what sex Julian Clary is, honestly I am stumped.
Isla Bryson is a woman etc etc.

My sex has impacted numerous parts of my life, it impacts everyone even trans people.

If someone wants to ‘live as’ the opposite sex that’s up to them, although I wish someone would tell me what that means.

For the gazillionth time though, someone of male sex will remain male and as such should respect women’s boundaries enough to refrain from being in our safe spaces when we are vulnerable, and not try to cheat the system by claiming to be female when it comes to sport or women’s prizes or shortlists. I don’t know what’s so difficult to understand. A four year old can grasp that boys use one loo (for instance) and girls another. Adults pretending not to grasp this concept don’t convince me much.

The tiny number of people who don’t fit the norm when it comes to chromosomes can go on their physical attributes. If they cannot be determined as male or female (is that likely? I doubt it, but will go along with it for the sake of argument) and they have a penis, they are male and should refrain from entering women’s safe spaces. They can otherwise decide for themselves whether to ‘live as’ male or female. The more people who did this, the more accepting ‘society’ is likely to become. As it is, the more we have men simply saying they are women and forcing themselves into safe spaces where women are vulnerable the more it will be resisted.

Doodledog

If someone wants to ‘live as’ the opposite sex that’s up to them, although I wish someone would tell me what that means.

For the gazillionth time though, someone of male sex will remain male and as such should respect women’s boundaries enough to refrain from being in our safe spaces when we are vulnerable, and not try to cheat the system by claiming to be female when it comes to sport or women’s prizes or shortlists. I don’t know what’s so difficult to understand. A four year old can grasp that boys use one loo (for instance) and girls another. Adults pretending not to grasp this concept don’t convince me much.

The tiny number of people who don’t fit the norm when it comes to chromosomes can go on their physical attributes. If they cannot be determined as male or female (is that likely? I doubt it, but will go along with it for the sake of argument) and they have a penis, they are male and should refrain from entering women’s safe spaces. They can otherwise decide for themselves whether to ‘live as’ male or female. The more people who did this, the more accepting ‘society’ is likely to become. As it is, the more we have men simply saying they are women and forcing themselves into safe spaces where women are vulnerable the more it will be resisted.

Exactly this - pure common sense. Well said Doodledog

Why don't we just leave people's biology to people educated in the subject like scientists and doctors so they can assure everyone gets the medical care they need

Then we can mind our own business and stop having threads about people who don't deserve a public coal raking just for existing

Because we are allowed to talk about a protected characteristic that impacts everyone.
Oh and I will talk about anything I like thanks.

You do you

I can think of approximately 17 more interesting things to do and I'm just sitting on the sofa

Have a good day

Well I for one have had enough of all the nonsense. And that is what it is, non sense.

And it is quite linked up with mental health issues.

I may find those 17 things incredibly boring so it's good we can all decide how to spend our time.

Kirsty Blackman is not male. She is a woman and has had two children.
She said XY by mistake.

People with differences of sexual development are not the ones who, in the main, are claiming to have trans identities.

I agree with Doodledog.

Let’s get this straight, there are only 2 sexes male and female.
Apparently you can choose your gender to whatever suits you, day by day if that’s what you want.
You either have XX or XY chromosomes, the tiny few intersex individuals, possibly 1 in 1000 that don’t have characteristic genitals have either extra or missing chromosomes. A large proportion of those have disabilities, others infertility, they are not the fully functioning males or females that are choosing to change gender today, for emotional reasons.

VioletSky

You do you

I can think of approximately 17 more interesting things to do and I'm just sitting on the sofa

Have a good day

So why are you commenting if you have so many other things to do? You have said that you enjoy being annoying on threads - is that the idea? Not ‘kind’, but never mind.

We (those who are making a genuine contribution to the thread as opposed to policing it) are ‘doing us’, whatever that cliche is supposed to mean. Who else are we supposed to ‘do’?

And yes - let’s leave biology to those who can grasp simple concepts. That’s where this whole ’debate’ turned nasty - people insisting that the impossible is true and shutting down those who point out that the emperor has no clothes.

How bizarre to try to be annoying on purpose. The world’s a funny place.