Boris Johnson should be banned from parliament for ‘unprecedented’ lies, rules privileges committee

MaizieD Seventy-Two Virgins - seems vaguely autobiographical?

Galaxy

Oh that's good. God forbid the poor should have access to newspapers.

That comment was meant to be tongue in cheek, as I'm sure Varian's was. Really!

Those families barely had anything to eat ( I kept bread and jam in my classroom to make breakfast for some) and often had no credit for power. Newspapers were the last thing, they were thinking about.

ronib

MaizieD Seventy-Two Virgins - seems vaguely autobiographical?

The Guardian said it was 'Racist, sexist and homophobic'...

MaizieD it sold 46000 copies?
Don’t forget it was written before 2011 Twin Towers.
Good that the blonde cyclist saved the life of the American President.
But not on my reading list.

I am not sure most of the comments are tongue in cheek I am afraid, the snobbery and worse around the Daily Mail is fairly clear.

I'm more of an inverted snob, than anything. .
Brought up in extreme poverty, I'm pretty au fait of what life is like for those struggling in today's economic climate.

Galaxy

I am not sure most of the comments are tongue in cheek I am afraid, the snobbery and worse around the Daily Mail is fairly clear.

What is "snobbish" about pointing out that the Daily Mail is not a trusted source.

Suggestng people are "snobbish" for pointing out facts, is devisive. Very DM. Why do you do that.? I'm genuinely interested.

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Have you seen the other thread about the Mail and its readers, its horrendous, the same 'tone ' directed at those who voted Brexit. It's fairly counterproductive to say the least.

So, in answer to my question about devisive comments, you do it because others do?

Galaxy

I am not sure most of the comments are tongue in cheek I am afraid, the snobbery and worse around the Daily Mail is fairly clear.

People display all sorts of prejudices on Gransnet though Galaxy, I’m not sure why you would single out those who are ‘snobbish’ about the Daily Mail above those who regularly display racist, far left or right or other blatantly discriminatory behaviour. Actually, that is far more harmful.

Because that's the current topic, if there was racism on a thread I would challenge that as well.

And I spend way too much of my life challenging the far left, that's part of being a member of the labour party.

Galaxy

Because that's the current topic, if there was racism on a thread I would challenge that as well.

I would challenge racism and extreme views too, but I can’t be bothered challenging about prejudice against readers of newspapers. There’s another thread talking about what Guardian readers are like - it’s all equally silly.

I haven't seen snobbishness about DM readers on this thread, Galaxy.

varian wondered why people believed its lies. Was that snobbish?

Marydoll 'thanked god' that few of the poor she worked among could afford to buy it. Snobbish? I'd interpret that as relief that the DM's lies couldn't reach them.

I don't know about the other thread because I haven't really been following it. I was just surprised that posters appeared to be comfortable with their fellow citizens being fed lies.

Do you just see inherent snobbery in any criticism of the DM?

When I used to fly between France and the UK monthly I always picked up the free DM - very useful for my young puppy's contained area.

But there are lies in all forms of media, so it is interesting that it is always the Mail that is mentioned. I think it was this thread where someone linked to Twitter. I cant even begin to describe the many problems that Twitter poses, its record on child safeguarding for example is horrendous, and certainly worse than the mail. But Twitter is the home of the middle class so it doesnt receive the same criticism.

Galaxy

But there are lies in all forms of media, so it is interesting that it is always the Mail that is mentioned. I think it was this thread where someone linked to Twitter. I cant even begin to describe the many problems that Twitter poses, its record on child safeguarding for example is horrendous, and certainly worse than the mail. But Twitter is the home of the middle class so it doesnt receive the same criticism.

Which absolutely doesn't address my point that there was no 'snobbery' about the DM on this thread.

Where do you stand, Galaxy?

Are you perfectly happy for people to be fed lies without anyone pointing out that they are lies and suggesting that it might not be a bad thing if people didn't have an opportunity to access them?

Or do you think that being fed a diet of lies is unhealthy and people should be at liberty to point that out?

Both my questions relate solely to the 'no snobbery on this thread' point.

Galaxy

Have you seen the other thread about the Mail and its readers, its horrendous, the same 'tone ' directed at those who voted Brexit. It's fairly counterproductive to say the least.

It’s something I’ve noticed on this forum Galaxy a def middle class looking down the nose attitude at Daily Mail readers. Treated as some form of human sub species.
An ah, the dumb working classes and their favourite paper they must all have voted for Brexit sort of thing.
A lot of readers will be Labour voters amongst others, no not far left but Labour voters so not right wing at all and will be a mix of people who voted to leave the EU and those who voted to remain. Not all remainers are Guardian readers or even Mirror readers come to that.

ronib

MaizieD Seventy-Two Virgins - seems vaguely autobiographical?

Good one 😂

I think we tend to ignore the lies that come from 'our tribe' so we tend to ignore the lies that prop up our beliefs. We get very agitated about challenging some lies but others we just let slide. I am not sure it's about a noble search for truth.

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Galaxy

Have you seen the other thread about the Mail and its readers, its horrendous, the same 'tone ' directed at those who voted Brexit. It's fairly counterproductive to say the least.

It’s something I’ve noticed on this forum Galaxy a def middle class looking down the nose attitude at Daily Mail readers. Treated as some form of human sub species.
An ah, the dumb working classes and their favourite paper they must all have voted for Brexit sort of thing.
A lot of readers will be Labour voters amongst others, no not far left but Labour voters so not right wing at all and will be a mix of people who voted to leave the EU and those who voted to remain. Not all remainers are Guardian readers or even Mirror readers come to that.

As Galaxy was talking about a 'snobbery' which did not exist on this thread your post is irrelevant to this discussion.

You just seem to be grabbing the chance for a bit of self satisfied virtue signalling.

Gotta love the Marsh family !

Just my opinion MaizieD and I was answering another posters comment. You obvs don’t like the criticism and are trying out some cancel culture.