Boris Johnson should be banned from parliament for ‘unprecedented’ lies, rules privileges committee

I think he’s been persuaded otherwise. Mordant has listed it for Monday, with a one-line whip. Likely lots of Tories won’t bother turning up to vote. I imagine the opposition parties will have the numbers to approve the recommendations.

Casdon

I’m confused now DaisyAnneReturns, I thought the vote was happening, and the question was whether Sunak would personally vote?

Sunak is "reported" to want to change it to a vote on " noting the report", rather than "accepting" it.

About 9% of the electorate, I believe, Whitewave

There is, it seems, just as in other areas that there is a small minority shouting the loudest, and we appear to be lumbered yet again with a spineless PM.

I can see disaster ahead. Again!

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

It seems you feel there is another side to this story Freya5. There isn't. There is one story about a man who was thought to have lied to Parliament.

The House of Commons past a motion to set up a committee to judge whether that was true or not. The properly constructed committee found that he had committed five contempts of Parliament, some of them several times.

The Committee then suggested what the punishment should be. The last step is that this should then go to Parliament snd be voted on.

The fact that someone in darkest England may have been at a party at some point it's just irrelevant.

I’m confused now DaisyAnneReturns, I thought the vote was happening, and the question was whether Sunak would personally vote?

Stopping Johnson will depend on Sunak being strong enough to stand up to him and let the vote go ahead. It seems to me unlikely that he has it in him. He's already suggesting alternatives.

He will allow Johnson to go on thinking, as his master at Eton said, that he is an exception and we are simply being churlished by not recognizing that.

We are not. Johnson has abused one of the highest positions in the land, Parliament, and the voting public. He should not be allowed to stay one moment longer in the headlines or in our lives.

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

I don't see that this is at all relevant. The Committee has recommended that Johnson is sanctioned because he seriously misled the House of Commons and he was in contempt of Parliament and the committee.

Have the two you've mentioned misled the House?

I'm finding the contempt of Johnson defenders for the rules of the House of Commons very worrying. It suggests a contempt for democracy...

Freya5

Casdon

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

Their misdemeanours are of nowhere near the same volume or scale, or impact. It’s just an attempt at obfuscation, which only the most diehard Johnson supporters won’t see for exactly what it is. Actually, it’s pathetic.

Thanks for pointing out I'm pathetic. I no way endorse Boris, just pointing out that sexual harassment, and spreading covid, is actually no laughing matter. They got let of very lightly. Typical lefties response , but then again you all had him guilty, before the panel convened. Let's hope Sir Bernard gets his party looked into.

I didn’t say you were pathetic at all Freya5, I said that the attempts at obfuscation were pathetic, because there is no comparison between the misdemeanours. It’s all over the press, it’s a small diehard minority of Johnson supporters who are trying to lash out in any direction possible to attempt to take the heat off him. It really is pathetic. I’m not a leftie by the way.

Hmm - what do you make of the committee's findings ( of which many members are Conservatives ) that BJ attempted to intimidate members of the committee?

Casdon

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

Their misdemeanours are of nowhere near the same volume or scale, or impact. It’s just an attempt at obfuscation, which only the most diehard Johnson supporters won’t see for exactly what it is. Actually, it’s pathetic.

Thanks for pointing out I'm pathetic. I no way endorse Boris, just pointing out that sexual harassment, and spreading covid, is actually no laughing matter. They got let of very lightly. Typical lefties response , but then again you all had him guilty, before the panel convened. Let's hope Sir Bernard gets his party looked into.

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

Their misdemeanours are of nowhere near the same volume or scale, or impact. It’s just an attempt at obfuscation, which only the most diehard Johnson supporters won’t see for exactly what it is. Actually, it’s pathetic.

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

No it doesn't.

Don't you think a Prime Minister who has been held in contempt of Parliament in five different ways should be held to the highest standards?

It is well worth listening to "The rest is politics" podcast which has just been released.

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

If we look at nuber 4 in the list in my last post, shouldn't Sunak be telling his party that the whip will be withdrawn from anyone who does the same thing?

Listening to various vox pops today it seems that the only people left supporting Johnson are middle aged/elderly women and the constant refrain is that he got things done and saw the bigger picture. Virtually everyone of them said that - almost as though they're reading from a prompt sheet.

I congratulate the Committee of Privileges for a job well done and especially given the abuse and attempts to intimidate them. The Tory members have demonstrated minds independent of Party interest. It will take more than garlic. Perhaps he could be deported to Florida, Rwanda or Transylvania.

I am trying to find clarifications of the report. First one is that the Committee found Johnson to have committed five types of contempt of Parliament. Not five counts of one type of contempt but many counts under five types. These are:

1. Deliberately misleading the House

2. Deliberately misleading the Committee (Carries a possible purgery outcome)

3. Breaching confidence

4. Impugning the Committee and thereby undermining the democratic process of the House.

5. Being complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee.

Katie59

Although it is notionally a free vote on Monday a lot of Tories will abstain, many will not want to condemn him, so we cannot assume the vote will be against Johnson.

Well, at least according to Mad Nad. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nadine-dorries-boris-johnson-partygate-report-b2358120.html
I can’t see it happening, I think it’s the the all mouth and no trousers brigade who are trying to whip up this storm.

Although it is notionally a free vote on Monday a lot of Tories will abstain, many will not want to condemn him, so we cannot assume the vote will be against Johnson.

Ashcombe

The Marsh Family hit the nail on the head, as ever....

www.facebook.com/watch?v=159398460347628

Brilliant, the Icarus analogy is spot on.

The Marsh Family hit the nail on the head, as ever....

www.facebook.com/watch?v=159398460347628

Siope

^A very Johnsonesk deflection.^

Apologies if that’s how it came across. I wasn’t trying to deflect, but I do think the media’s sloppiness has helped Johnson, and if this report is about anything, it’s about the importance of accuracy, and how much words matter.

If only we could see expressions. I see where you are coming from. Sorry if I jumped to conclusions.

ronib

The next stage in the process - having used the garlic - is for the House of Commons to vote on the recommendations contained in the report.
And don’t forget that the pen is mightier than the sword and this will run and run - sigh.

I know.