Migrant boat capsized in Greece

Absolutely awful news, especially those poor children

Some of the comments are another level of depressing. I never see comment like this outside gransnet

westendgirl

GSM, I find your response of "rubbish "to my recent post very insulting.I had said that I thought international cooperation was needed to stamp out the trafficking gangs.I also questioned your statement " is money more important than innocent lives taken on home soil " and then
~I mentioned something that I had heard, either on the radio or on the T.V. about rishi Sunak, s emphasis on stopping the boats could be contibuting to more people hurrying to get away.That was a report of something I had heard.
I really think perhaps your habit of dismissing other people's posts is getting out of hand. It is bad manners, and we get enough of that in Parliament and completely unecessary

My comment was in response to your suggestion that people were bringing forward their journeys because of Sunak’s plans. These boats are always overcrowded - to make the maximum profit for the traffickers. You may have ‘heard something’ - that doesn’t mean it’s a fact.

I don’t have a habit of dismissing other people’s posts - perhaps you could produce evidence to support that claim.

mokryna

As AI is supposed to be very intelligent, I don’t understand why it isn’t put to work on tracking the money from all these thousands of trafficked people, to find where it goes. This trade could be stopped, and the illegal money be confiscated money. But I can dream.

The UK is part of an international programme called Project Invigor, which is organised by the National Crime Agency for the Home Office. It does hack into networks and recover some money, but it's a huge job and funding is limited.

GSM, I find your response of "rubbish "to my recent post very insulting.I had said that I thought international cooperation was needed to stamp out the trafficking gangs.I also questioned your statement " is money more important than innocent lives taken on home soil " and then
~I mentioned something that I had heard, either on the radio or on the T.V. about rishi Sunak, s emphasis on stopping the boats could be contibuting to more people hurrying to get away.That was a report of something I had heard.
I really think perhaps your habit of dismissing other people's posts is getting out of hand. It is bad manners, and we get enough of that in Parliament and completely unecessary

Mokryna
It takes thousands of hours to break into a burner phone. We only have a certain amount of people working on this.
Perhaps if mi5 could advertise for hackers to come forward it would be done a lot quicker.
I know two but I can’t see them signing up 😉

Ah.....right G, didn't think of that. Ta. 👍

Kim19 The segregation of the sexes perhaps for strict Moslems?

Interested as to why women and children were in the hold. Was it supposed to be more sheltered or safer down there?

MerylStreep

Notspaghetti
The EU have returned 82,000 migrants to Libya in the past 6 years.

I know (didn't know exact number) - but heard interesting discussion in the wake of this - which seemed to be more positive about working together at last for the relief of this terrible suffering.
I will have to ask my husband later who we heard talking about it.

How would that be done? The refugees would hardly keep a note of the serial numbers on the notes.

As AI is supposed to be very intelligent, I don’t understand why it isn’t put to work on tracking the money from all these thousands of trafficked people, to find where it goes. This trade could be stopped, and the illegal money be confiscated money. But I can dream.

Choughdancer
Germany are considering sending migrants to African countries.

www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/germany-planning-to-transfer-asylum-procedures-in-africa/

Notspaghetti
The EU have returned 82,000 migrants to Libya in the past 6 years.

Some actions to make the traffickers' trade disappear:

Providing safe routes; countries such as the UK taking in more refugees, and providing support to the countries around the areas the people are fleeing from who have taken in the vast majority of refugees; creating an efficient multi-country approach to the ongoing problems of people being forced to leave their homes as a consequence of war, famine; persecution and the effects of global warming.

Rubbish.

Surely the lives of innocent refugees matter too , no matter where they are.
I feel that countries working together is vital to find and stamp out these traffikers.
I did read that Sunak's stress on "stopping the boats "could quite easily have led to people in distress rushing to travel earlier.

Is money more important than innocent lives taken by terrorists on home soil? 7/7, Manchester Arena, London Bridge etc and the IRA bombings?

Germanshepherdsmum

I think foiling terrorist attacks is a little higher up the list of priorities.

Maybe you just believe some lives are worth saving more than others. Seeing as we’re currently spending over 5 million a day to house immigrants plus the money given to France it would make more sense to reduce the numbers by targeting the traffickers.

There is an exemplary write up in The Guardian (2 days ago & yesterday).

They were enroute to Italy.

Terribly painful. ALL the children and women died (100) as they were in the hold of the boat.

I understand that the President of Italy and the Lady President of The E.U. amongst other political leaders have been discussing the matter with the Tunisian President.

However, these victims were from Libya ! Not Tunisia.
They were predominately Egyptian, Pakastani and Afghanistani.

Truly terrible.

I think foiling terrorist attacks is a little higher up the list of priorities.

nanna8

It was headline news here yesterday. They also said most were on their way to the UK.

I read that they were going to Italy.

Either way, still a terrible waste of life.
100 children apparently in the hold too..

I hope we in Europe have the compassion to deal with this collectively now.

Oh come on! They can foil terrorists and share intelligence where that’s concerned. They know Albanian traffickers are operating in various countries. It can’t be stopped entirely but cutting off the head of the 🐍 would go a long way.

Just to clarify, that is not my personal opinion. I meant that the UK news media often under report what happens elsewhere. So often you can spot an international news item at night or early morning and later in the day it is never reported.

What exactly do you have in mind when you call for ‘an international response to stop the traffickers’? What do you think will stop them tickingbird?

It has been reported but not headline news. I think this comes under the category of "not our problem" so we need not dwell on it.