Meanwhile the earth is burning

I am more than happy to do my bit to assist with climate change but compared to India and China, we are a mere blip. That is what I find depressing.

In my experience, telling people that they don't know what they're talking about, or that they're wrong, just creates more defensive responses.

However, I'm with Siope on this topic: utter despair at the number of people who are unable to face facts; and who, seemingly, have no interest in finding out what's actually happening to THEIR world/environment.

We simply cannot afford to bury our heads in the sand if we want an environment that is safe (or exists) for our descendants

My nephew who lives near Washington says their air quality is very poor at the moment because of the Canadian forest fires, which happen naturally each year but are becoming more severe.

Yes the Gulf Stream is a real concern. Rather than hit weather Britain could face freezing temperatures if Gulf Stream changes its direction.

The Gulf Stream keeps our islands relatively warm and temperate.
If this system were to slow down or even cease because sea ice has melted as a result of global warming, this could in fact cause a drop in temperature in the British Isles, Iceland and North-West Europe.

I dread the future for my GCs, even more so for for my own AC who will be looking at the future for their children. Parents are only as happy as their least happy child😥

Sawsage2

It's nature, the world changes all the time. Nothing new.

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I think about this a lot. Americans seem to have no idea that big gas guzzling trucks, which they justify as cars need to travel greater distances, are damaging to the climate. Likewise they use aircon and tumble dryers habitually too. They either don’t care about their children’s future or are stupid (it’s just nature, we can’t stop it, it’s not true it’s a conspiracy). I wish people would get their heads out of their backsides and start to do their bit.

It's not only governments. Individuals need to change their behaviour to reduce their carbon footprint. I know those who take four or five holidays abroad each year
. Others who have several gas guzzling cars on their driveway.
We should only take from our planet what we need not what we want.

I believe that as the environment deteriorates the green and extreme activist parties will gain power and eventually sweep away todays crooked elite.

There will be a new elite who judge harshly those who have more than one child in a world which is globally overpopulated. Each individual will bear not only their own carbon footprint but those of the offspring they produce. Families will be castigated as consumers and producers of waste and will be charged extra taxes.

Of course there have always been climate cycles and temperatures have gone up and down, but the point is that human activity has caused the warming part of this cycle to speed up to such an extent that we haven’t got time to adapt. Also, remember, there are an awful lot more people than ever before, so not only does that make the speeding up worse, it also makes migration out of places which become too hot or dry very difficult.

I too despair that governments are doing too little and listening to oil companies who apparently knew about climate change a great deal earlier than they want to admit.

I realise this is leading horses to water, but for the ‘we can’t tell it’s people’, ‘it’s just nature’, ‘it’s how it’s always been’ believers

royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/

Of course the Amazon rain forest isn’t dead.
They might have had large chunks chopped out of it, but there is still an awful lot of it left.
I agree with Sawsage2.
It’s nature and there is no holding it back.
The world is evolving and changing constantly.
Who are we to interfere. I’m

There are too many countries that are not onboard or cannot do much about it. All the countries that can are trying. Only time will tell. I don't think enough is being done in a timely way. Start with the highest pollution ie aircraft and HGVs. But no one wants that do they, no let's pick on the little man first and curtail their freedom to move locally.

Even if the changes are a natural cycle we humans are not prepared for very high or very low temperatures. There was an ice age so who knows what's in the future.

Earth is 454000000000 (4.54 billion) years old, we have had weather data since 1889, only 143 years. Early data is not reliable mainly due to non standardised methodologies and more primitive instrumentation. Joined up global weather data only became available in the mid 20th century with the advent of computer technology. There are also billions of non digitised weather records which have not been taken into account.
We are looking at a weather model still in progress.

The changes are now extreme and unsustainable. I can’t get my head around why people aren’t more ‘concerned about it, and the consequences. It’s not like we just have bad years, such as the drought of ‘76. Every year throughout the world it’s becoming the norm. And in spite of our efforts in this country the US, China and Russia are still the main offenders so until they do something I fear that disaster will be sooner rather than later.

It's nature, the world changes all the time. Nothing new.

The climate is changing. The sea levels are rising as are temperatures. There will be parts of the Uk that will be submerged as the sea rises and the coastline erodes. It's not a great prospect for our grandchildren, even though people will adapt and survive.

I genuinely despair.

Of course it is, but there are reasons for not admitting that.

and who is to say that this is not mainly our planet cycling like it always has done?

I do fear for my GCs as governments don't take this seriously enough and little is done. The ice caps are melting sending fresh water into the sea. This could eventually cause the UK to become much colder.

nanna8

Well they will be able to grow stuff in the Arctic and Antarctic then and you can look forward to a great grape harvest in the UK. It is certainly not getting warmer here, colder every year. I think it is more climate shifting round and the cold countries becoming warmer. Definitely changing but not as straight forward as everywhere getting warmer.

Tell me you don’t understand climate change and its impacts without saying you don’t understand climate change and its impacts.

And you are wrong about Australia.

www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/australias-changing-climate.shtml

www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/factsheets/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Regional_Fact_Sheet_Australasia.pdf

amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/23/if-global-heating-is-a-thing-why-is-so-called-right-now-weather

You - along with the rest of us - are already almost half-way to 3C change

theconversation.com/amp/seriously-ugly-heres-how-australia-will-look-if-the-world-heats-by-3-c-this-century-157875

Re the point previously mentioned, that some countries would become too warm to be habitable, I was remarking to someone just last week that perhaps, in the future, ‘ climate immigrants ‘ might be coming to the area where I live, (NE Scotland ), as, at the moment, it is still relatively cool.