Missing Titanic Submarine

Germanshepherdsmum

Heroism? Those who tried to rescue them were the heroes

What heroism was displayed in the rescue attempt? People were on ships operating remote control vehicles. Nobody risked their life in any way..

Leave Titanic alone now. It’s ghoulish, let the dead lie where they have been over 100 years. It should never have gone ahead for that reason never mind the fact it was so unsafe bolted in a tin can from the outside, it just wasn’t thought out.
I know people will always push boundaries, that’s natural. What is the point of disturbing a grave site, I can’t understand anyone not checking out the futility of it due to the safety aspects alone. It must never happen again.

Just read Boris’s article and I don’t agree with him. This was a tourist trip, without adequate planning, that went wrong. The only boundaries it pushed were those of stupidity. Would you climb Everest in your T-shirt? Sorry Boris you are wrong about this and also if you think I am a Leftie.

According to DM the company took out an emergency loan during Covid to strengthen the hull of the ship which had failed tests.

MayBee70

25Avalon

Boris Johnson’s second article in the DM is about the heroism of those who lost their lives on Titan. The full article is available online at 5pm.

Just goes to show his cavalier attitude towards people’s safety…

That says so much about Mr Johnson. He’s so like Flashman

I agree, the heroes are those why joined the rescue attempt. I do feel though that adventurers add to our lives, to science and to our understanding. I’m thinking of the Polar explorers. Fascinating and in many ways reckless but brave

These projects are vanity projects for rich men. As far as I can see the submersible in this tragedy had only one tiny porthole so none of those on board would see very much, nor was it doing any kind of research.

There are plenty of unmanned vehicles that are better equipped both to carry out research and film and record the Titanic.

The only reason for any of those on board, the young man excepted, to be there is so that they could say they had done it - and could tell other people. At least people climbing Mount Everest have to do the climbing themselves, to think of another activity with a high death rate.

25Avalon

Boris Johnson’s second article in the DM is about the heroism of those who lost their lives on Titan. The full article is available online at 5pm.

Just goes to show his cavalier attitude towards people’s safety…

Agreed.

Germanshepherdsmum

Heroism? Those who tried to rescue them were the heroes.

Absolutely, GSM. And thankfully no-one else was injured (or worse) as part of those rescue efforts.

Heroism? Those who tried to rescue them were the heroes.

Boris Johnson’s second article in the DM is about the heroism of those who lost their lives on Titan. The full article is available online at 5pm.

Blondiescot

I've found it interesting listening to what the film director James Cameron has had to say about the whole Ocean Gate saga. As an expert on underwater exploration, especially to incredible depths, he knows what he's talking about.

Yes, Cameron has raised concerns about this company in the past. He said when he heard they had simultaneously lost comms and tracking that it was inevitable the submersible had imploded as he could not think of any other explanation for how that could happen simultaneously. I sincerely hope its some comfort for their families to know they died instantly and did not suffer - the thought of them slowly dying over days whilst running out of oxygen was truly awful. I hope this is the end of Titanic tourism - its clearly very dangerous, as Cameron well knows being an experienced submariner himself.

I just think what a stupid waste of life especially the 19 year old who had his whole adult life in front of him. Life is precious. Some people have theirs taken away through no fault of their own but these men risked their lives for nothing more than an adventure.

I don’t feel anger about this MayBee. It’s not my tragedy to be angry about. I just feel sorry for them for taking their need for adventure to these lengths and to be unaware enough to sign away their own rights. I feel disgusted with the person who owned the craft and must have known it wasn’t reliable or safe, but ultimately the responsibility for deciding to take this ridiculous trip was down to the people themselves.

Very true BlueBelle.

nanna8

I just feel so very sad for them all. I don’t care who they were or what they were,it was a tragedy.

I don’t feel sorry for the man who owned the craft and organised it knowing that he was waiving safety rules. I’m very angry with him.

Now I do feel compassion for the young man, who today is reported as being very unsure about the whole venture and wanted to pullout, but because it was Fathers Day weekend he felt he should go for his Dad. Now that is sad, the others I m not so compassionate about. I am sorry that it happened and very sorry for the families left behind, but there should really have been more acknowledgement of the huge dangers by these grown men
It’s not as if they were going on a dangerous mission to find an endangered species or a special seaweed that could be used for cancer or pain relief or something, they were going to satisfy their own senses of …..whatever…..adventure I suppose and they paid the ultimate price and caused everyone a huge amount of money and personal safety trying to ‘save’ and find them

I agree with Foxygloves.
Very sad though.

I've found it interesting listening to what the film director James Cameron has had to say about the whole Ocean Gate saga. As an expert on underwater exploration, especially to incredible depths, he knows what he's talking about.

Witzend

Today I’ve seen or heard it mentioned that families might have been told some time ago, that an implosion - and instantaneous death they wouldn’t even have been aware of - was a distinct possibility, but that the search was of course continuing, in case.

I hope that’s the case, since it might have prevented some of the mental torture of imagining their loved ones trapped for days in claustrophobic increasing cold, just waiting to die.

Completely agree Witzend. As family I would have wanted to know straight away that survival was unlikely. I feel strung out myself tbh after four days of imaginings. No family member should have been put through that. It is not kind.

I read Suleman wasn’t keen on going but went to please his dad as it was Father’s Day.

The good that will hopefully come out of this is that untested uncertified craft will not be allowed. Public authorities have to make sure of all aspects of health and safety. So too should private companies.

Today I’ve seen or heard it mentioned that families might have been told some time ago, that an implosion - and instantaneous death they wouldn’t even have been aware of - was a distinct possibility, but that the search was of course continuing, in case.

I hope that’s the case, since it might have prevented some of the mental torture of imagining their loved ones trapped for days in claustrophobic increasing cold, just waiting to die.

Nowadays, I think most reporting of human tragedies like this is far less intrusive and voyeuristic than it was in the past.

Interesting that a journalist of all people should describe society as being "voyeuristic", when the level of public engagement with any particular story defines how successful he/she is in their job. So in the same breath, were they referring to it as a moral negative, but also as a commercial positive? Mixed message? As regards the public reaction to a news story such as this one, when does an understandable level of natural curiosity and concern actually become an "unhealthy interest"? Perhaps when the apocryphal coffin-chasers out there put undue pressure on the families and the friends of the victims. To be fair, I haven't seen any of that yet, and I believe that journalistic codes of practises these days are generally better than they were in the past.. although there will always be exceptions.

^That’s a very sweeping statement Marydoll I’m sure not everybody is like that….^: Where in my post did I say that everyone has become like that, Shinamae?

My original comment was about a journalist, who mentioned that he felt that people were voyeuristic, regarding the tragedy and I said I sort of agreed. My opinion and his, are as valid as anyone else's, whether you agree or not.

The interviewer on Sky News, reacted in the same way as some on here and quickly moved on.

I just feel so very sad for them all. I don’t care who they were or what they were,it was a tragedy.