Where is the money coming from?

karmalady

M0nica

Ukraine is fighting WW3 for us. We should pay for our defence.

well said Monica

I agree.

Ich komme auch aus Berlin

M0nica

The war stayed far from the shores of the USA mainly because it had several thousand miles of ocean between each side of it, and decreasing that so that the country was in bomber range was even beyond their capabilities.

But they were heavily involved in the war in Asia, remember Pearl Harbour and you only have to visit the American war cemeteries in Normandy to realise how many young Americans died to free Europe from the genocidal Nazis.

The American routing was Florida, South America, Northern Africa, to the UK. I believe America also flew their bombers in over Canada, Newfoundland, Iceland and on into UK. Bombers were within range.

Yes, they were involved in Pearl Harbour, their fleet was bombed to oblivion as Japanese moved forward toward America. They stopped isolationism, fought until they dropped the bomb in 1945.

Yes, they finally sent troops, many buried in Normandy or Cambridge.

They're isolationists, who didn't want to fight on their land.

The war stayed far from the shores of the USA mainly because it had several thousand miles of ocean between each side of it, and decreasing that so that the country was in bomber range was even beyond their capabilities.

But they were heavily involved in the war in Asia, remember Pearl Harbour and you only have to visit the American war cemeteries in Normandy to realise how many young Americans died to free Europe from the genocidal Nazis.

To enable Ukraine to win this war we are going to need to give a great deal more because the arms committed is far are below what is needed.

Do we have to have the "for once" lol

VioletSky

Divided by every person in the country it's less than £40 each

I'm happy to donate that

For once I agree with you VioletSky

Divided by every person in the country it's less than £40 each

I'm happy to donate that

As Zelensky has said when he has repeatedly asked for weapons "We in Ukraine are doing the dying for you."

I understand that the money we are pledging for reconstruction IS a loan, actually I think it should be a gift but clearly others do not. I always thank my lucky stars that I was born in the UK, OK it's not perfect but it is so much better than most of the other countries in the world. We may be an island but we are still part of the world and our safety and security, way of life is much better protected by helping those less fortunate than ourselves in other countries than pulling up the drawbridge!

Whichever way, it should not mean we decrease our aid budget - look whats happening in the Sudan etc - so easy to forget about Africa.

Germanshepherdsmum

M0nica

it is the same thing. Ukraine has suffered immense damage to its infrastructure and will need help rebuilding itself to become a strong and prosperous country again. It is a bit like all the aid that came from the United States to Europe after WW2 because they knew that if Europe was to provide a strong bulwark against communism and Russia, it had to be politcally and economically strong

We had to repay what we received under Marshal Aid. We honoured that debt. The final instalment was paid under Margaret Thatcher’s government. It wasn’t a gift, as our payments to Ukraine in cash and kind, seem to be.

True. As USA gave loans, they kept the war far from their shores. Lend lease payments from UK to USA finally ended in 2006.

This seems different, to me.

M0nica

it is the same thing. Ukraine has suffered immense damage to its infrastructure and will need help rebuilding itself to become a strong and prosperous country again. It is a bit like all the aid that came from the United States to Europe after WW2 because they knew that if Europe was to provide a strong bulwark against communism and Russia, it had to be politcally and economically strong

We had to repay what we received under Marshal Aid. We honoured that debt. The final instalment was paid under Margaret Thatcher’s government. It wasn’t a gift, as our payments to Ukraine in cash and kind, seem to be.

Much as I might also question the 2 and a half billion, that is the cost of the NHS for 5 days.

M0nica

Ukraine is fighting WW3 for us. We should pay for our defence.

well said Monica

Franbern

BUT....in them meanwhile.....back in UK, so many people suffering from notbeing able to access medical care, so many children going hungry, so many teaching staff and medical staff virtually being driven to the point to having breakdowns trying to cope with inadequare funding and resources.

Amazing how the magic money tree can shake its brances and shed billions of pounds for wars, butso little for domestic purposes.

The reason it's not being spent in the UK is that the tories have an ideological objection to state spending. They believe in'small state' and leaving as much as possible to private enterprise. They are deliberately starving public services of funding.

They can 'find; the money for Ukraine because the government can create as much money as it pleases as we have a sovereign currency. It is also a (deservedly) popular cause in the UK so few people are going to object.

What people can be sure of is that it isn't going to come out of their, or their children and grandchildren's pockets. It's coming out of thin air, as all the nation's money does...

M0nica

Ukraine is fighting WW3 for us. We should pay for our defence.

I'm with MOnica as well.
Yes, money could easily be used in Britain to improve a lot of people's lives. Money could be used by other countries to improve their country's infrastructure as well. We have to remember where Ukraine is and what they are fighting to hold back.
Would the Russians find occupying Ukraine enough? Or would they push across Europe?
As Monica says we are paying for our defence and maybe a lot of other countries who are slow with their contributions should remember and think about where they would be if Russia pushed on.
JFK said Ich bin ein Berliner"
I think we should all see the situation as if we were Ukranians.

it is the same thing. Ukraine has suffered immense damage to its infrastructure and will need help rebuilding itself to become a strong and prosperous country again. It is a bit like all the aid that came from the United States to Europe after WW2 because they knew that if Europe was to provide a strong bulwark against communism and Russia, it had to be politcally and economically strong

seadragon

Riverwalk

Unfortunately corruption is rife in Ukraine - I hope any reconstruction aid doesn't disappear into a black hole.

Corruption is rife in the UK too, Riverwalk or has that escaped your notice? I'm with M0nica on this, having a degree in Russian Studies.......

I think it escaped your notice that I referred to reconstruction costs in Ukraine, not defence of.

BUT....in them meanwhile.....back in UK, so many people suffering from notbeing able to access medical care, so many children going hungry, so many teaching staff and medical staff virtually being driven to the point to having breakdowns trying to cope with inadequare funding and resources.

Amazing how the magic money tree can shake its brances and shed billions of pounds for wars, butso little for domestic purposes.

I agree with M0nica this is not just Ukraine’s war it is far more than that.

I only hope that the EU states continue to supply money and armaments with a view to brining the conflict to an end.

As should other countries - is this a competition to see who can give the most?

Riverwalk

Unfortunately corruption is rife in Ukraine - I hope any reconstruction aid doesn't disappear into a black hole.

Corruption is rife in the UK too, Riverwalk or has that escaped your notice? I'm with M0nica on this, having a degree in Russian Studies.......

Ukraine is fighting WW3 for us. We should pay for our defence.

City am writes that the UK’s involvement with Ukraine is £4.7 billion to date.
Rishi Sunak is in the whatever it takes camp to help Ukraine.

Unfortunately corruption is rife in Ukraine - I hope any reconstruction aid doesn't disappear into a black hole.