Contempt of Parliament

The concealed cameras in the necklaces?

I'm wondering what dirt Harman had on the 4 tory members of the Committee (who had the majority of votes) that enabled her to force them to acquiesce in her verdict that poor, innocent Boris had recklessly lied to Parliament.. 🤔

MayBee70

Is this Nadine Dorries who is never in parliament and, when she is, spends most of her time writing her novels?

MayBee70 Nadine has sold 2.5 million copies don’t know if her constituents were ignored by her or not.
Chris Bryant won Best Non Fiction Book by a Parliamentarian for ‘The Glamour Boys’ 2020.
Seems there’s a tradition of writing combined with being an MP and it even got its own book awards.

I’m thinking of investing in a big chunky necklace. I hadn’t thought about it before, but if it took two ballsy women to stand their ground to bring the lying miscreant down - it must be down to their necklaces, obviously. Do you think they coordinated it beforehand and though yes, the necklaces will be the clincher, let’s go for it?

Is this Nadine Dorries who is never in parliament and, when she is, spends most of her time writing her novels?

I know this sounds crazy but I am going off large chunky necklaces as worn by Harriet Harman and Theresa May when in the Commons.
Separately I tend to agree with Nadine Dorries that Parliament should not mark its own homework.

ronib

Curious as to what counts as contempt. Witch-hunt and kangaroo court.
Lord Cruddas is quoted “If they don’t want people noticing they are a kangaroo court, then they should hop less.”
Bit tame really?
Playground spate.

I agree.
Harriet Harman gave us her judgement on Johnson a year ago. She said he was guilty then so yes, it was a kangaroo court.

MayBee70

MayBee70

It’s going to be discussed in parliament next Monday…I’m having my new windows filleted but I hope I’ll get to watch it. Not sure what time though.

Apologies. It’s a week on Monday not next Monday. And it’s thanks to Mordant that it’s happening ( just to prove that it isn’t a left wing attempt to undermine parliament). She’ll make a good opposition leader I think because the current opposition respect and work well with her, unlike most of the current government front benches.

Thanks for the update MayBee.

Haha 😆

Thanks Oreo! I’ve lost track at the times I’ve re read something I’ve written and thought to myself ‘ did I really write that’. Or wonder why my iPad has come up with something so obscure! For some reason it won’t let me write ‘didn’t’ without me amending it several times!

MayBee70

MayBee70

It’s going to be discussed in parliament next Monday…I’m having my new windows filleted but I hope I’ll get to watch it. Not sure what time though.

Apologies. It’s a week on Monday not next Monday. And it’s thanks to Mordant that it’s happening ( just to prove that it isn’t a left wing attempt to undermine parliament). She’ll make a good opposition leader I think because the current opposition respect and work well with her, unlike most of the current government front benches.

Maybee70 what does having windows filleted mean? Typo for fitted or some fancy new thing I haven’t heard of?

Freya5

MayBee70

Isn’t it because of people like them that the Privileges Committee have had to be protected?

What from disagreeing with the proceedi gs. You really want a Parliament shut up because someone said something harman didn't like. A lot of what they have pointed out is true,prejudge g for a start.

It is nothing to do with what she does or doesn't like. I repeat:

I think there is a lack of understanding free speech. It is not an absolute right. There are limitations to ensure that it is not exercised in a way which causes harm to others.

The seat of our democracy is Parliament.

The House of Commons voted for the Priviledges Committee to carry out an inquiry - unanimously.

The House of Commons approved a motion to appoint Harriet to the Committee on the understanding that she would take the role of Chair - unanimously.

The Committee is comprised of seven MPs: four Conservative, two Labour and one SNP. They are elected to serve on the Committee by the House of Commons, in proportion to the parties’ representation in the House.

Whatever any individual may think, they do not, as was explained above, have the right to say just what they like if it can be seen as contempt of Parliament.

Some things are bigger than than the individual and the seat of democracy is one of them.

This is the case for everyone in Parliament and has been through government after government.

MayBee70

It’s going to be discussed in parliament next Monday…I’m having my new windows filleted but I hope I’ll get to watch it. Not sure what time though.

Apologies. It’s a week on Monday not next Monday. And it’s thanks to Mordant that it’s happening ( just to prove that it isn’t a left wing attempt to undermine parliament). She’ll make a good opposition leader I think because the current opposition respect and work well with her, unlike most of the current government front benches.

You mean this one, where at 7.21 he basically calls Harman a liar?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=iP2Op2f8g2Y

She doesn’t look sour, she looks bemused.

Siope

Could you provide a clip of that please, Freya? I am not sure when he did this? It wasn’t, of course, in the debate on the Committee’s recommendations, when his only intervention was this

news.sky.com/video/i-think-thats-a-mic-drop-jacob-rees-mogg-is-heard-during-debate-on-boris-johnson-partygate-report-12905589

Sorry not sure how to do the link. On you tube
Look for Sir Jacob Rees Mogg speaks on Privileges Commitee.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202306/medium-869925-img-1311.jpeg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202306/medium-987088-img-1312.png

Zak Goldsmith has run away rather than face criticism by his peers

choughdancer don’t your close friends tend to support you? It’s human nature ?

MayBee70

Isn’t it because of people like them that the Privileges Committee have had to be protected?

What from disagreeing with the proceedi gs. You really want a Parliament shut up because someone said something harman didn't like. A lot of what they have pointed out is true,prejudge g for a start.

ronib

MaizieD very few Mps seem to have commented adversely and in fairness they were close friends of BJ. I wouldn’t say that the language used was that bad given the strength of feeling that was present at that time. In fact witch hunt and kangaroo court doesn’t fill me with horror. If Parliament is offended then doubtless it will impose some sanction but it really isn’t doing itself any favours.

Does being close friends with BJ excuse it?

Having re-watched Boris, the Lord and Russian Spies last night I am truly grateful that BoJo is no longer PM and an MP and that the Privileges Committee proved fearless and independent in condemning his behaviour. Those who continue to support him should examine their own views on the nature of democracy, the constitution and the rule of law. I hope the Commons will approve their recent report and refer the Lords who intervened to the HofL for investigation.

Good post DAR, just to add, the issue at the heart of this was that the named people also tried to influence others eg got emails circulated and generally tried to undermine the work and decisions of the PC.

It’s going to be discussed in parliament next Monday…I’m having my new windows filleted but I hope I’ll get to watch it. Not sure what time though.

The idea that any one can say anything no matter what the consequences seems to have a very strong hold.

Yet we all know you can be sued for slander. If you disrupt a court you can be jailed. If you verbally threaten or spew hate speech you can jailed.

Equally, if you are an MP and try to stop elected members carrying out the will of Parliament you should, at the very least, be held to account.

We can only have freedom of speech if people don’t abuse it.

I think there is a lack of understanding free speech. It is not an absolute right. There are limitations to ensure that it is not exercised in a way which causes harm to others.

The seat of our democracy is Parliament.

The House of Commons voted for the Priviledges Committee to carry out an inquiry - unanimously.

The House of Commons approved a motion to appoint Harriet to the Committee on the understanding that she would take the role of Chair - unanimously.

The Committee is comprised of seven MPs: four Conservative, two Labour and one SNP. They are elected to serve on the Committee by the House of Commons, in proportion to the parties’ representation in the House.

Whatever any individual may think, they do not, as was explained above, have the right to say just what they like if it can be seen as contempt of Parliament.

Some things are bigger than than the individual and the seat of democracy is one of them.