Contempt of Parliament

Good for you! Sorry it's taken so long to respond, but there are so many brill threads on just now, and it's difficult to find your way back.

Maremia

The SPEAKER was strong enough that time he told Caroline Lucas to hurry and finish her point. The reason for her delays was the constant barrage of haranguing she endured from the Government benches, which he did nothing to control. Yes, we need a SPEAKER who can do the job.

That was in February 22 I think. I actually wrote to the Speakers office and complained about how he spoke to her. He made a habit of throwing his weight around with MP’s like her but ignoring people on the government benches especially, at the time, Johnson. I was furious.

The SPEAKER was strong enough that time he told Caroline Lucas to hurry and finish her point. The reason for her delays was the constant barrage of haranguing she endured from the Government benches, which he did nothing to control. Yes, we need a SPEAKER who can do the job.

Whitewavemark2

Who is on top of his brief.

Now their's a question to ssk of the 13 years of Tory misrule and sleeze

Callistemon21

eazybee

I cannot imagine Jacob Rees-Mogg ever committing an undisciplined use of language.
In my opinion the Privileges Committee are pursuing their privileges to the nth degree, quite unnecessarily, and they are contemptible.

Well, I'm surprised even though I'm not a fan of Jacob R-M.

I cannot imagine him being guilty of un-disciplined use of language, amounting to contempt

Gadzooks! You Tatterdemallion! You Just-Ass!

Here’s one example.
www.thenational.scot/news/19461705.jacob-rees-mogg-sorry-yellow-peril-comment-commons/

But that does not make him correct in his behaviour, attitude or ethics.

I can't imagine Jacob Rees-Mogg being anything except correct in his speaking.

eazybee

I cannot imagine Jacob Rees-Mogg ever committing an undisciplined use of language.
In my opinion the Privileges Committee are pursuing their privileges to the nth degree, quite unnecessarily, and they are contemptible.

Well, I'm surprised even though I'm not a fan of Jacob R-M.

I cannot imagine him being guilty of un-disciplined use of language, amounting to contempt

Gadzooks! You Tatterdemallion! You Just-Ass!

Who is on top of his brief.

We also need a much stronger speaker.

MayBee70

ronib

Seems to me that the ministerial code is a bit iffy ….

Up until recently it worked because politicians in the main adhered to it. I wonder what has changed all of that

It's certainly iffy when it's written by a man who then constantly breaches it and refuses to sanction ministers who breach it.
We need the power to apply the Ministerial Code removing from the PM and given to, say, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards. With the power to apply sanctions.

People were worrying in another thread about the absolute power which a PM has. The power over the MC seems to be one that would be easy to remove.

ronib

Seems to me that the ministerial code is a bit iffy ….

Up until recently it worked because politicians in the main adhered to it. I wonder what has changed all of that

grandtanteJE65

Judging by televised proceedings in the British parliament, heckling members one disagrees with, noisy interruptions and so on are still regarded as part of parliamentary free speech.

This is shocking to those of us more used to European states, where such behaviour would not pass unnoticed or unreproved.

So obviously what may be said in Parliament is a matter of tradition. I would be surprised to learn that "contempt of parliament" is an offence known to the law, never having heard of it before.

If it is, then lying to parliament ought to be more serious than stating that this that or the other was a kangaroo court.

It is perhaps time for politicians to start reviewing what manners they find fitting during parliamentary sessions.

grandtanteJE65 yup couldn’t agree more with you. I have written to complain about the ridiculous lack of manners shown in the past in the HoC. It is hugely embarrassing to watch and shows no signs of improvement. Does such a lack of basic politeness help the business of the House? I doubt it.

Seems to me that the ministerial code is a bit iffy ….

ronib

Maremia well Jeremy Clarkson spews out and doesn’t stop to think too much if at all. Stream of unconscious more like. I don’t count his ranting on about Megan Markle as making much sense. I get he doesn’t like her. But he is able to gain attention and bask in the frenzied media airtime and he’s free to be sued by those he offends I guess. Is this what we mean by freedom of speech? Doesn’t add much to saving the world.
Although Jeremy Clarkson makes comments by Boris Johnson’s friends look insignificant - kangaroo court, witch hunt- as compared to tons of excrement.

Jeremy Clarkson isn’t in government and doesn’t have to abide by the ministerial code though( to my knowledge)….

Maremia well Jeremy Clarkson spews out and doesn’t stop to think too much if at all. Stream of unconscious more like. I don’t count his ranting on about Megan Markle as making much sense. I get he doesn’t like her. But he is able to gain attention and bask in the frenzied media airtime and he’s free to be sued by those he offends I guess. Is this what we mean by freedom of speech? Doesn’t add much to saving the world.
Although Jeremy Clarkson makes comments by Boris Johnson’s friends look insignificant - kangaroo court, witch hunt- as compared to tons of excrement.

Funny how both some Tory MPs and some Tory voters are up in arms about a “prejudiced” committee which was made up from over 50% of Tory MPs - BJ and his most ardent supporters appear to believe the rules, some of which they made themselves, don’t apply to them - some of them have abused their positions and have been in contempt of parliament - they deserve all they have coming to them bar their new titles and elevations. There are still some very dedicated MPs on both sides of the house, sadly few made the cut into BJs cabinet nor his predecessors

Getting back to the principle of having 'an open and free society', and being allowed to say your piece, I have just watched BBC News, and am now reading this thread. I wondered, Ronib and Co, if there was a line you would draw on free speech? Do you think Jeremy Clarkson should have been criticised for the comments he made about the Duchess of Sussex in The Sun?

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

Wes Streeting is all over TV promoting his autobiography at the moment, MP’s must have a lot of free time…

Yes, but have his fellow MP’s said that he wrote his book when he should have been doing his parliamentary work? From what I’ve seen of Chris he seems to be in parliament a lot of the time either on the benches or on various committees.

From what I can see she hasn’t bothered to vote since 26th April….

Judging by televised proceedings in the British parliament, heckling members one disagrees with, noisy interruptions and so on are still regarded as part of parliamentary free speech.

This is shocking to those of us more used to European states, where such behaviour would not pass unnoticed or unreproved.

So obviously what may be said in Parliament is a matter of tradition. I would be surprised to learn that "contempt of parliament" is an offence known to the law, never having heard of it before.

If it is, then lying to parliament ought to be more serious than stating that this that or the other was a kangaroo court.

It is perhaps time for politicians to start reviewing what manners they find fitting during parliamentary sessions.

GrannyGravy13

Wes Streeting is all over TV promoting his autobiography at the moment, MP’s must have a lot of free time…

Yes, but have his fellow MP’s said that he wrote his book when he should have been doing his parliamentary work? From what I’ve seen of Chris he seems to be in parliament a lot of the time either on the benches or on various committees.

Wes Streeting is all over TV promoting his autobiography at the moment, MP’s must have a lot of free time…

MayBee70 Chris Bryant has written at least three books to my knowledge . But politicians do have very generous holidays.

ronib

MayBee70

Is this Nadine Dorries who is never in parliament and, when she is, spends most of her time writing her novels?

MayBee70 Nadine has sold 2.5 million copies don’t know if her constituents were ignored by her or not.
Chris Bryant won Best Non Fiction Book by a Parliamentarian for ‘The Glamour Boys’ 2020.
Seems there’s a tradition of writing combined with being an MP and it even got its own book awards.

I very much doubt that Bryant did his writing when he should have been doing his parliamentary work…

ronib

The concealed cameras in the necklaces?

That’s one of the reasons I want one now ronib, I can film all my dog’s misdemeanours.