Court of appeal supports asylum seekers challenge

Siope

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

How patronising! Many if us don’t want safe routes we want controlled immigration. We want to choose who comes here.

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

Nearly 4,000 people arrived on boats in June alone. This is just crazy.

Katie59

“76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021. “

Damn statistics.
Very selective, we weren’t getting small boat arrivals for almost all of that period so they are absolutely not relevant today

I give up. None so blind, and all that.

Thanks Primrose 👏

Nicenanny3

I have plenty of compassion thank you, the British people have a long tradition of welcoming refugees and helping other countries in need but I'm not naive, the boat loads of illegals crossing the channel in their thousands who pay people smugglers vast sums of money and travel hundreds and hundreds of miles to get here their destination of choice are not among them. It's costing us millions everyday to house and feed them, provide doctors, dentists etc etc enough is enough and it seems Italy and a few other EU countries are thinking the same way.

Totally with you Nicenanny! Most of them leave their women and children at home to cope alone too!!

I have plenty of compassion thank you, the British people have a long tradition of welcoming refugees and helping other countries in need but I'm not naive, the boat loads of illegals crossing the channel in their thousands who pay people smugglers vast sums of money and travel hundreds and hundreds of miles to get here their destination of choice are not among them. It's costing us millions everyday to house and feed them, provide doctors, dentists etc etc enough is enough and it seems Italy and a few other EU countries are thinking the same way.

Callistemon21

MayBee70

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

The majority are Syrian refugees and many are hoping to go back home again to rebuild their country after the devastation caused by Assad with the help of Putin.
However, they are unable to do that yet ☹

Just to clarify, Turkey hosts nearly half a million refugees besides the 3.6 million Syrian refugees.

MayBee70

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

The majority are Syrian refugees and many are hoping to go back home again to rebuild their country after the devastation caused by Assad with the help of Putin.
However, they are unable to do that yet ☹

Nanny ,do you have no compassion at all ?

There is also another series of programmes called "Evacuation".
These are the views and the retelling of what happened in Afghanistan by British troops.

Katie59

“76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021. “

Damn statistics.
Very selective, we weren’t getting small boat arrivals for almost all of that period so they are absolutely not relevant today

The vast majority of people who have arrived on small boats since 2018 haven’t been processed yet Katie59, see further up the thread. People are here who have been waiting over 5 years. That doesn’t mean their applications won’t ultimately be successful.

MayBee70

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

Yes and they are being paid well by the EU to look after them close to their home country that most will return when it is safe.

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

“76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021. “

Damn statistics.
Very selective, we weren’t getting small boat arrivals for almost all of that period so they are absolutely not relevant today

Iran has a land border with Turkey which is a beautiful safe country why don't they start their new life there if its so terrible in Iran (which I've don't doubt is not the best place to live but it's their country), no they want to pick and choose pay criminal people smuggling gangs and come to the UK. Also once here it's easy to say you have been abused who can prove otherwise the smuggling gangs probably tell them what to say and once the so called human rights lawyers get involved paid for by UK taxpayers well they know they probably be here to stay.

The programme is "inside the Iranian Uprising ."BBC 2 . Not an easy watch, but does give some idea of what is happening .

Did you not see the programme last week about life in ~Iran and how easily young people were thrown into prison following protests. What happened to somepf them was absolutely dreadful. One mother spoke about her 16 year old daughter who was murdered by the security services, who of course said she had jumped off a wall. Another young man spoke about how he was tortured and raped.
No wonder some of these young people are desperate to leave and no wonder families are equally desperate to help them. Yes they do want a better life away from the morality police, and the cruelty of the security services.A life where than can speak out and alife free from fear.Wouldn't you , Nice Nanny ?

No but surely it's a crime to pay criminal smuggling gangs to cross the channel to get here or do you think that's OK to support criminals seems to me some on here do. Also why don't these supposedly fit young men stay home in their own country and support their women, children and elders, no because its a load of tosh they are economic migrants with money wanting a better life in the UK.

Families pool resources, get into debt to send one of their healthy young men on the perilous journey from eg Syria to seek sanctuary in northern Europe. Some aim for Britain because they have the language and ‘ or family here.

Posters who claim asylum seekers are wealthy because they pay smugglers seem to suggest wealth should be one of the reasons to ‘send them back or to Rwanda”. Is it a crime to have money? Not so far as I’m aware

katie59 Never mind. I’ll do it for you, because baiting people who post nonsense about issues they know nothing about gets boring.

76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021.

Last year was an anomaly in that specialist programmes were opened for Hong Kong, Ukraine and Afghan.

In 2021 (a fairly typical year) 42% of applicants were nationals of Middle Eastern countries, and 23% were nationals of African countries. It would be hard to classify these as safe countries.

This pattern shifted in 2022 with the largest nationality groups being Asian countries (the Hong Kong effect (31% of applicants) and European countries (24% of applicants).

The number of Ukrainian refugees who arrived in the UK in 2022 was equivalent to the number of people granted refuge in the UK from all origins, in total, between 2014 and 2021. Perhaps you think war-torn Ukraine is safe?

For context, In 2021, there were around 9 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 14 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 16th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.

Katie59

Last year 13000 Albanians arrived in small boats, all economic migrants of the rest many were from safe countries, even those from so called unsafe countries are not all refugees they are using the cover to get in.

Very few get returned even to Albania.

What we do know of course though is that nearly all of them are still here because the processing is so slow for their asylum claims. If that was sorted out, in the unlikely eventuality that they were all economic migrants they would have been returned to Albania by now, wouldn’t they?

We don’t know how many Albanian arrivals last year were economic migrants because processing is so far behind. We do know that in previous years (when Albanian arrival numbers were much lower) c57% of claims were granted, 88% of those successful were women. Although the home office don’t publish reasons for successful asylum claims, the high percentage of women suggests they were victims of trafficking.

So, as far as the data, allows, you’re wrong about Albanians.

Please provide evidence for your claims - majority turned down, and now ‘many of the rest are from safe countries…’.

Last year 13000 Albanians arrived in small boats, all economic migrants of the rest many were from safe countries, even those from so called unsafe countries are not all refugees they are using the cover to get in.

Very few get returned even to Albania.

Katie59

Siope
So how many migrants do you think this country should accept, because there are many countries where minorities are persecuted, wrong tribe, wrong religion.
All countries have identity documents I don’t believe cost is an issue

Still waiting for you to substantiate your earlier claim.

Not all countries accept id cards as travel or entry documents. I know of no country where passports are free - can you enlighten me? Are they countries whose citizens need asylum?

Nicenanny3

11:17Siope

DAR there are many reasons asylum seekers don’t have documents (passports are just a part of it): they don’t have them to start with (passports are for the affluent); they are destroyed in an act of war; they’ve been seized by the authororities, and lots more. Plus many embassies in war zones are closed.

*If only the affluent have passports how can the illegals on the dinghies pay thousands of pounds to get here, let me think most are really economic migrants🤔*

Quite right. These are not poor people coming on these boats they are paying many thousands to travel in these rubber dinghies.

To pretend otherwise is just plain stupid. We all know what the people smugglers charge them.

They are told to get rid of ID, passports etc. We have heard this from their own mouths when they are interviewed on TV.