Anyone else waiting with anticipation to see what's in the Govt's plan for the NHS?

Well it all seems to be about increasing training numbers and shortening the time scales (4 years to become a junior doctor), a nurse assistant role to bridge the gap between care assistant and qualified nurse (we used to call that a State Enrolled Nurse and they were brilliant bedside nurses) so ro9und the same circle we go.
My reservation is who is going to train all these extra numbers?

Some of these plans already happen. Nurse training on par to SEN's.
Our day ward has a young nurse who was a HCA,she has now trained (support by the Trust) she just can't give IV drugs.
To become a fully registered RN she just has to do extra year. They have been proactive with this plan for several years nows and it works lovely.

We also have these Doctors assistants who work closely with the Doctors. Some of these are ex Military medical staff. There is a career pathway for these guys now, they are good.

Not sure if this is different from Trust to Trust but for the past 4-5 years we have sponsored non qualified suitable Team members to do our degree working alongside trained professionals.
These team members are ready to go once the get their degree, the ones who need a bit more time are those who did the Uni route full time, with placements they then have to do percepterships.

I clearly remember about 15 years ago a notice from my Union that there would be a staff shortage across the board due to age of the staff and the impending changes in Pensions.
They were right!
Sadly it will take time, but all is not lost ,behind the scenes things are happening.

There's an overview of the plan on the BBC website if anyone is interested.

No, it’s meaningless. They throw out these announcements because the peasants are getting restless.
They truely believe that we are so stupid that we’ll fall for it, wrong 😡

They need to retain the staff they already have. We are losing doctors to other countries and need to keep experienced medical staff as well as recruiting more.

We know exactly what it is because it is straight out if the Labour policy which they tried to introduce a couple of years ago and the Tories voted it down.

Upcoming elections certainly concentrate governments minds!

That sounds very sensible and worthwhile Visgirl. If it’s not being done right across the NHS then it’s a tragedy. If one Trust can do this there’s no reason why they all can’t.

Germanshepherdsmum

That sounds very sensible and worthwhile Visgirl. If it’s not being done right across the NHS then it’s a tragedy. If one Trust can do this there’s no reason why they all can’t.

Yes it does except that the Tories have no intention of fulfilling it.

I simply think that it is an election bribe - nothing in their 13 years of destroying the NHS suggests a sudden epiphany.

I think your wires are crossed - I was talking about Visgirl’s post.
Of course you would say that the government has no intention of doing things and that whatever they announce is an election bribe, wouldn’t you? Suits your agenda.

Germanshepherdsmum

I think your wires are crossed - I was talking about Visgirl’s post.
Of course you would say that the government has no intention of doing things and that whatever they announce is an election bribe, wouldn’t you? Suits your agenda.

Then why did they vote the exact NHS plan down a couple of years ago.

It doesn’t sound very committed to me.

Pay pay pay- the missing link!

Definitely someone needs to think about the cost of training medical staff for export to Australia and NZ! Likewise we need to reimburse poor nations for poaching staff. Not too sure how to do this. Any ideas?

ronib

Definitely someone needs to think about the cost of training medical staff for export to Australia and NZ! Likewise we need to reimburse poor nations for poaching staff. Not too sure how to do this. Any ideas?

You cannot dictate to anyone whatever their profession, wherever they trained what Country they choose to move to.

Would you then move on to Engineers, Teachers…

I’m glad this has been announced and that work is starting on what will be a minimum ten year route to put the NHS staffing back on its feet. It’s what our next government would have done anyway, and it will be introduced a year earlier than it would have been which is all to the good.
I’m still waiting for the pay, estates and equipment elements to be announced.

Labour has said that as it was their plan in the first place they will implement it - of course.

Strange that the government commissioned a report and the NHS said what they wanted, which the government is backing. Not copying Starmer’s homework at all.

Germanshepherdsmum

Strange that the government commissioned a report and the NHS said what they wanted, which the government is backing. Not copying Starmer’s homework at all.

Do you know what, I don’t care how it’s happened. It’s good news and it will make the NHS more sustainable.

I would just like people to stop saying that the government have cribbed Labour’s homework. They haven’t.

GG13 Uk engineers are not very well paid but they tend to be quite conservative. Unlike doctors who are politically motivated. However the cost of training a doctor is very high and the costs to the community are a cost on the public purse. Why should we not rethink this ? Seems to me that Australia and NZ need to up their own training programs. But open to suggestions of course ….

Visgir1

Some of these plans already happen. Nurse training on par to SEN's.
Our day ward has a young nurse who was a HCA,she has now trained (support by the Trust) she just can't give IV drugs.
To become a fully registered RN she just has to do extra year. They have been proactive with this plan for several years nows and it works lovely.

We also have these Doctors assistants who work closely with the Doctors. Some of these are ex Military medical staff. There is a career pathway for these guys now, they are good.

Not sure if this is different from Trust to Trust but for the past 4-5 years we have sponsored non qualified suitable Team members to do our degree working alongside trained professionals.
These team members are ready to go once the get their degree, the ones who need a bit more time are those who did the Uni route full time, with placements they then have to do percepterships.

I clearly remember about 15 years ago a notice from my Union that there would be a staff shortage across the board due to age of the staff and the impending changes in Pensions.
They were right!
Sadly it will take time, but all is not lost ,behind the scenes things are happening.

Good information. Thank you.

Germanshepherdsmum

I would just like people to stop saying that the government have cribbed Labour’s homework. They haven’t.

Labour couldn’t commission this piece of work because they aren’t yet in government, so don’t have the power to do so. Labour’s plan for the NHS was published in May however, and has many similarities. I could have written the plan myself, as could hundreds of thousands of other current and former NHS staff, it’s not rocket science.
As I said, for me there’s no glory, I just feel relief that something is being done at last.

Casdon

I’m glad this has been announced and that work is starting on what will be a minimum ten year route to put the NHS staffing back on its feet. It’s what our next government would have done anyway, and it will be introduced a year earlier than it would have been which is all to the good.
I’m still waiting for the pay, estates and equipment elements to be announced.

Training more doctors starts in 2025, the govt could start now by removing the cap on training so the new medical schools could start training home students rather than overseas ones, all that is needed is the £.

foxie48

Casdon

I’m glad this has been announced and that work is starting on what will be a minimum ten year route to put the NHS staffing back on its feet. It’s what our next government would have done anyway, and it will be introduced a year earlier than it would have been which is all to the good.
I’m still waiting for the pay, estates and equipment elements to be announced.

Training more doctors starts in 2025, the govt could start now by removing the cap on training so the new medical schools could start training home students rather than overseas ones, all that is needed is the £.

That’s true.

Yes I’d be much less cynical if the cap was lifted immediately.

Or even to start in 2024 - but after the election………