Gender neutral toilets in todays news!

The litter tray thing is not discussed here BTW.
Thought I'd clarify!

www.tiktok.com/@commonlycensored/video/7246038839947529499

This is it.

The cat thing was from a discussion, yes, but have you listened to it?
The whole "identification as a cat" was taken totally out of contex.

It was even linked to the litter trays in some classrooms in America.

I will see if I can find it.

Glorianny
But why would they have "to identify as women”?
So they can go into female toilets, why else?

I hope the misguided teacher who called the pupil ‘despicable’ is now looking for a new job.

We are living in an alternative universe and I want to get back home to sanity.

NotSpaghetti

MrsNemo and others... the cat story is a total fake - though Suella Braverman fell for it!

The transcript of the conversation clearly shows that the girls were told - by a teacher - that believing that another pupil is not a cat but a girl is 'despicable', and that they are not welcome in the school with that attitude, so whether or not they were speaking hypothetically is irrelevant, really.

So - not a 'total fake' at all, but a possible misunderstanding, as it is not clear whether the catchild in question is real or hypothetical. The Head denies that anyone actually 'presents as' a cat in class, but saying that is in the interests of the school (and potentially of the catchild), isn't it? The fact remains that the school's ethos is one where speaking the evidence of one's eyes (ie saying that a child is not a cat) is to attract censure, which is the point - we have definitely fallen through the looking glass.

Glorianny

Lathyrus

Or even, as Mollygo illustrates females don’t have to be alone.

Males can expose themselves when there’s several females around, just as long as they identify as women.

But why would they have "to identify as women"? On the train the other week, man coming out of toilet still fastening his trousers. Didn't think he was exposing himself. Just thought he was a prat (and probably hadn't washed his hands!)

Of course a male could expose himself in any situation but there are laws again that.

However a male only has to say “I am a woman” and hey presto the law no longer applies.

90% of complaints of assault and voyeurism occur in mixed sex facilities. Almost all of those were male to female. Isn’t that enough of a statistic to make you think females need their own spaces?

Still feel a bit "hmm" about it.

No.. not her!
Sorry.
It was Kemi Badenoch.

Our local leisure centre has mixed changing rooms and mixed toilets but they are ALL lockable cubicles. It works well. They still have issues with a few men wanting to perv out on kiddie swimming lessons though

MrsNemo and others... the cat story is a total fake - though Suella Braverman fell for it!

Lathyrus

Or even, as Mollygo illustrates females don’t have to be alone.

Males can expose themselves when there’s several females around, just as long as they identify as women.

But why would they have "to identify as women"? On the train the other week, man coming out of toilet still fastening his trousers. Didn't think he was exposing himself. Just thought he was a prat (and probably hadn't washed his hands!)

Or even, as Mollygo illustrates females don’t have to be alone.

Males can expose themselves when there’s several females around, just as long as they identify as women.

Glorianny

Smileless2012

I wouldn't have a problem with that arrangement Glorianny as from what you describe, the men's and women's toilets are separated by a communal hand washing area, with one door giving access to the men's toilets (on one side?) and one door giving access to the women's (on the other side?).

Yes aircraft toilets are gender neutral only allowing one person access at a time nanna.

Doors to both toilet areas usually propped open. So you could see clearly into each section. That's how I know the men's were cubicles. Ladies when busy usually queuing into the hand washing area. Some on GN think a separate hand washing area is necessary for girls and women.

Hand washing in communal areas open to view to everyone. No problem.

Hand washing in an enclosed area, where nobody can see abuse taking place on a lone female. Definitely necessary. Wouldn’t you agree.

Female toilets at motorway services in the UK often have large areas for handwashing in the middle, with toilet cubicles around the sides.
In one of those was the first time I saw a TW strutting his stuff. Clearly bearded (nothing to do with PCOS) and finding it funny to joke loudly “Oops, I forgot to fasten my jeans.”
Some on GN think a separate hand washing area isn’t necessary for girls and females.
The events in the OP provide different evidence.

Shared facilities are quite common in France.

Smileless2012

I wouldn't have a problem with that arrangement Glorianny as from what you describe, the men's and women's toilets are separated by a communal hand washing area, with one door giving access to the men's toilets (on one side?) and one door giving access to the women's (on the other side?).

Yes aircraft toilets are gender neutral only allowing one person access at a time nanna.

Doors to both toilet areas usually propped open. So you could see clearly into each section. That's how I know the men's were cubicles. Ladies when busy usually queuing into the hand washing area. Some on GN think a separate hand washing area is necessary for girls and women.

I never go in a gender neutral toilet. As we visit many of the same places during the week I am aware of where ladies' loos are situated. I would rather hold on than use some of the toilets near us, often the ones near the beach. Otherwise out in the countryside I occasionally happily go behind a bush as I did when I was young. I judge places by their loos -that's why I enjoy visiting NT properties as everything is so clean.

You were told it was best to laugh Lathyrus . A very unpleasant and unsettling experience and I'm not surprised you were terrified .

I am so sorry that happened Lathyrus.

The problem is the enclosed nature of the communal hand washing space. The usual dogleg entrance or initial door into the run of toilets is intended to give privacy.

Which is fine until it’s privacy to assault. On an earlier thread I wrote about being trapped in a ladies loo when a male entered behind me and proceeded to masturbate in the cubicle next to me

It was terrifying but when I reported it I was told nothing could be done because the male (I won’t say she as I was told to do) identified as a woman and masturbated in private in the cubicle. This was not someone dressed as a woman but in male clothing with a male body who couldn’t be denied access to the women’s toilet because of self identification.

I was not the first person to report.

When I posted before I was told it was the best laugh on the thread. Believe me, there was nothing funny about it

I wouldn't have a problem with that arrangement Glorianny as from what you describe, the men's and women's toilets are separated by a communal hand washing area, with one door giving access to the men's toilets (on one side?) and one door giving access to the women's (on the other side?).

Yes aircraft toilets are gender neutral only allowing one person access at a time nanna.

The ones on aircraft are all gender neutral of course. We usually get a choice though the shopping centre ones are all divided. Hate to say it but the ladies only ones always look and smell cleaner.

In Portugal in the restaurants, there was often one toilet in a room (4 floor-to-ceiling walls with a lock. Whilst the entrance was not directly into the restaurant, there was no opportunity for any threatening or inappropriate behaviour. Other more expensive restaurants had separate sex toilets. I wonder whether abroad there isn’t so much behaviour that causes concern. It’s the behaviour that has caused the problems.

Just back from Italy where most of the public loos seemed to have one entrance, often one hand washing area and then a door which led to the men's on one side and a door to the women's on the other-then cubicles. Couldn't help wondering what some GNers would make of it.