Fawcett Society's Victory for Women

What Clarkson wrote is horrid. I wasn’t shocked by this as he has the capacity to say outrageous things. I just thought it was absolutely horrible. I’m not a fan of the Duchess of Sussex either, but actually this isn’t really about her, it’s about someone saying something so disgusting. I found it very offensive.
I’m not sure it’s a huge victory for women though as there are far too many women out there who are victims of far, far worse than this sort of vile name calling.

So, patriarchy is “all that tosh” is it, GSM? Perhaps here in the UK, it isn’t as prevalent to the extent it once was (I can’t, in all honesty, say it has disappeared - Clarkson and his ilk prove that), but have you noticed what’s going on in Afghanistan lately? If that’s not patriarchy rearing it’s ugly, controlling head, I don’t know what is. I’m sorry to say, that unfortunately, patriarchy is not “tosh”. If only it were …
In addition, whether you like Meghan or not, nasty, supposedly humorous attempts at demeaning and ridiculing her are not acceptable - just as they shouldn’t be against any person.

Callistemon21

I'm not 50/50 at all.

Whilst I'm not a fan of the Duchess of Sussex, I am horrified that any man would post such a nasty, misogynistic rant in the media about any woman.

This.

I have no strong opinions on Meghan either way, but what Clarkson wrote was revolting. That he referenced GOT is neither here nor there - there will be some literary source for pretty much anything someone wants to suggest, and out of context it proves nothing.

I would feel the same regardless of the woman being dehumanised in this way, and the same if it had been a man.

I'm not 50/50 at all.

Whilst I'm not a fan of the Duchess of Sussex, I am horrified that any man would post such a nasty, misogynistic rant in the media about any woman.

Hmmm, I'm 50/50 on this. On the one hand I think that Clarkson is a misogynistic, boorish oaf. On the other hand I think that Megan is a self obsessed narcissist. Not sure who is worse really.

Smileless2012

I've not seen any support for what Clarkson wrote because it was about Meghan, but maybe I've missed something.

Neither have I.

I cannot say if I like or dislike The Duchess of Sussex as I do not know her. I do however have an opinion on her outpourings regarding both her family and her husband’s.

I've not seen any support for what Clarkson wrote because it was about Meghan, but maybe I've missed something.

Above correct, "when rape was allowed in marriage" .

Chardy

The picture in people's heads that Clarkson conjured up, was revolting. In schools we already have a problems of the Andrew Tate variety about male perceptions of female behaviour and a woman's place in their world. This picture just added to them.
So yes. I am revolted by this man's article being written about any named woman, regardless of his 'clever' nod to popular culture, understood by millions, but going over the heads of tens of millions.

Yes Chardy.

Of course things have got better for women, but we've a long way to go. "Patriarchy" is simply a term describing a still male dominated world.

it only changed from what was described when women had no independent means and are was allowed in marriage etc because women - and men working with them - called it out and fought to change laws and attitudes , and I hope we'll continue to "call it out" for that purpose. I don't feel terribly "crowing"as a feminist just that we can't just let things pass.

I just wish we didn't need to, and so do many decent men I do know as well as women.

Ilovecheese

O.k. o.k. I promise never to agree with you again Violetsky

Why?

O.k. o.k. I promise never to agree with you again Violetsky

Does that mean our agreement percentage went down?

I dont really think there are shenanigans. Quite a word to know if I have spelled it accurately though.

I think it probably explains a lot of behaviour

I take each thread/comment as I find but if people are focussed on their agreement percentage it probably explains lot of the negativity and shenanigans that go on

I am going to do a spreadsheet on agreement percentage on GN it appeals to my inner nerd

Why does it matter?

Every time I see someone say it, it's just... Uncomfortable

Can we not just agree on something without some sort of agreement percentage thrown in?

I just don't understand why people say this

Because my opinion on these sorts of issues is very often not the same as your opinion. There is nothing wrong with differences of opinion, it is just normal life, not right or wrong.

Why do we need the "unusually"?

VioletSky

When something is tolerated because people don't "like" the victim that is bad enough. When something is celebrated because people don't "like" the victim... Well that's the sort of crap that is everything wrong with humanity

Unusually Violetsky I agree with one of your posts.

Jeremy Clarkson's article was vile, and if it had been written about any other member of the royal family would not, I think have received any support on here.

GSM , yesterday " crowing feminist " - unpleasant and unnecessary.

The picture in people's heads that Clarkson conjured up, was revolting. In schools we already have a problems of the Andrew Tate variety about male perceptions of female behaviour and a woman's place in their world. This picture just added to them.
So yes. I am revolted by this man's article being written about any named woman, regardless of his 'clever' nod to popular culture, understood by millions, but going over the heads of tens of millions.

A good summary of 'Game of Thrones' GrannyGravy and as you say some of the strongest and most violent characters were women.

For me Clarkson's rant was hate speech rather than sexism.

Germanshepherdsmum

A great and momentous victory for women? Twaddle. He was rude about her (though I did find his piece amusing). End of.

oh "end of" That means of course that YOU must be right and everyone else wrong

Your obsession is showing Glorianny.

There are almost 70 million people in the UK, half of which are women. Why would one person think their experience is somehow a baseline representation for anyone else?

How many women have missed out on jobs or promotions because they might get pregnant or have children?

How many women have come across a guy who thinks he is owed sex because he held a door open?

How many women have made a friend to find he is complaining about being in the friend zone because he stupidly thinks all women belong in the girlfriend zone.

How many women have been touched without their consent or sent a picture of a penis like they are supposed to be impressed?

You only have to look at the pink tax which still stands at women's things being about a third more expensive than men's to see how we are disadvantaged on a daily basis.

Even school uniform is more expensive for girls which is a terrible start to life