The New Conservatives

We would all like to be cared for by familiar carers, or nurses or doctors currently that is a distant dream. My mother was recently paying for carers from the council to help her, an East European lady and an African man were sent she accepted it for a few weeks but was not happy.
I found a local lady which was far more suitable, mum was happy for her final days.

Who are these “New Conservatives” they have no chance of achieving their aim

Surely New Cons is worse than National Cons - although it does sum them up better, because new cons is exactly what we’d get from them?

MayBee70

Aren’t the National Conservatives a world wide political group that Braverman, amongst others, belongs to?

Yes, I think she is but I doubt she'll go as far as to implement these policies, hopefully not!

Aren’t the National Conservatives a world wide political group that Braverman, amongst others, belongs to?

I really detest political policy which panders to people's worst instincts. The way we have managed refugees and migrants in the past few decades has been a disgrace and IMO has fuelled racism . If we had had a system that assessed people swiftly and either gave them leave to stay or sent them back we wouldn't have some of the issues which get people so angry and hopefully it would be a great deal more humane. I don't, for one minute, think that any of this agenda will get adopted but we do need a decent functioning UK visas and Immigration service but I can't see that happening with SB in charge.

Wonder what their constituents think of them .
Anyone here who has the misfortune to be represented by one of these far right conservatives ?

My above post was referring to varian’s and yorkshire’s posts

varian

Are the "New Conservatives" the same as the "National Conservatives"?

Who are ‘national conservatives’ and what do they want?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/14/who-are-national-conservatives-and-what-do-they-want

Miriam Cates appears as a spokesman for both. Perhaps the launch of the NatCons of the just a few months ago fell flat and so they are having another go at being even more right wing and nastier.

They may have spotted that "National Conservatives" is not a very clever name a changed it.

I remember that during the recent local elections, all of the Tory candidates billed themselves as ‘Local Conservatives’ as opposed to ‘The Conservative Party’

It was obviously that they wanted to make a distinction from The Conservative Party, and separate themselves from it, which is worrying itself; but now things seem to be making a more sinister turn

foxie48

This is copied from the Guardian as I can't find anything else online. I also heard the BBC radio news report this morning which also mentioned care home staff. If anyone has the official report please post so we can see how it differs.

1) Close the temporary schemes that grant eligibility for worker visas to ‘care workers’ and ‘senior care workers’. This policy will reduce visas granted by 117,000 between those workers and their dependents, leading to a reduction in ‘long-term inward migration’ of 82,000.

2) Raise the main skilled work visa salary threshold to £38,000 per annum. This could reduce LTIM [long-term immigration] by 54,000 migrants per year.

3) Extend the closure of the student dependent route, which allows full access to the job market and is not subject to skill or salary thresholds, to students enrolled on one-year research master’s degrees. Combined with the government’s existing proposal, this could lead to a reduction in LTIM of around 75,000.

4) Close the graduate route to students, so as to stop students staying in the UK after graduating for up to two years without a job offer. This should lead to a reduction of around 50,000 in LTIM per year.

5) Reserve university study visas for the brightest international students by excluding the poorest-performing universities from eligibility criteria. This could lead to a reduction of 49,000 from LTIM.

6) Continue to monitor the reduction in visa applications under the humanitarian schemes and introduce caps on future humanitarian schemes should the predicted 168,000 reductions not be realised.

7) Rapidly pass and implement the provisions of the illegal migration bill, leading to a reduction of at least 35,000 from LTIM.

8) Cap the number of refugees legally accepted for resettlement in the UK at 20,000.

9) Raise the minimum combined income threshold to £26,200 for sponsoring a spouse and raise the minimum language requirement to B1 (intermediate level). This should lead to an estimated 20,000 reduction in LTIM.

10) Make the migration advisory committee report on the effect of migration on housing and public services, not just the jobs market, by treating future demand on a par with labour requirements in all studies.

11) Cap the amount of social housing that councils can give to non-UK nationals at five percent until the number of British families waiting for housing clears.

12) Raise the immigration health surcharge to £2,700 per person, per year.

Doesn’t sound bad to me ( this list)
As long as they monitor the care home numbers needed and work with the care homes on this matter.
A reasonable grasp of the English language should be key to employing people to work in the care sector.

I think it's the same group?

Are the "New Conservatives" the same as the "National Conservatives"?

Who are ‘national conservatives’ and what do they want?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/14/who-are-national-conservatives-and-what-do-they-want

Miriam Cates appears as a spokesman for both. Perhaps the launch of the NatCons of the just a few months ago fell flat and so they are having another go at being even more right wing and nastier.

^ Exactly! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually bringing them in, they've stooped so low. Not women and children/families at all, just single men ... probably been offered a back-hander to come^

I don’t know why you say ‘exactly’ in reply to my post and then follow it with a load of conspiracy theory nonsense. I said the complete opposite of whatever you think I said. These ideas are desperation by some bigoted Tory fruitloops, who are scared of losing their seats, and who can’t offer anything but blaming others for the results of 13 years of Tory government.

MadeInYorkshire

FannyCornforth

DaisyAnneReturns

Oh and the very uniformed interviewee suggested we use inactive workers to fill the jobs.

So if Sunak decides to retire now, which he can afford, he would be 'inactive', not unemployed. Are these people going to march him to a re-education centre so he can pick fruit? What on earth sort of country do they want to live in.

Why do we have people who refuse to understand a subject before they spout, influencing our government. Nobody voted "New Conservative".

‘Re-education centre’, that’s about right.

And what about all those ‘economically inactive’ people who are already unpaid carers?

I didn’t know whether or not to post on here, because it’s just beyond soul destroying now

Yes they are gunning for those of us who are 'economically inactive' now, which includes myself. The disabled are terrified about what will be coming for us next ....

I am surprised they have any terror left to "feid" *MadeInYorkshire". When I see the treatment people get who apply for PIP, etc., ... I have no words.

FannyCornforth

DaisyAnneReturns

Oh and the very uniformed interviewee suggested we use inactive workers to fill the jobs.

So if Sunak decides to retire now, which he can afford, he would be 'inactive', not unemployed. Are these people going to march him to a re-education centre so he can pick fruit? What on earth sort of country do they want to live in.

Why do we have people who refuse to understand a subject before they spout, influencing our government. Nobody voted "New Conservative".

‘Re-education centre’, that’s about right.

And what about all those ‘economically inactive’ people who are already unpaid carers?

I didn’t know whether or not to post on here, because it’s just beyond soul destroying now

Which is presumably what the New Conservstives expect to happen as we have fewer and fewer carers. Thus grinding both people and the economy into the ground.

There is also, surprise, surprise, more long term sick and a government dismantling the NHS and ... young people from 16 to 24 who are in full time education but not working count too.

Don't be sad Fanny "This too shall pass" remember. I just wished someone would tell us when.

The £38k cap would include teachers from abroad. Unqualified teachers currently earn between £18k and £26k. Having employed/worked with teachers from several different countries (Aus, Canada, US, Philippines) I'm not aware that UK recognises any foreign teaching qualification.

FannyCornforth

DaisyAnneReturns

Oh and the very uniformed interviewee suggested we use inactive workers to fill the jobs.

So if Sunak decides to retire now, which he can afford, he would be 'inactive', not unemployed. Are these people going to march him to a re-education centre so he can pick fruit? What on earth sort of country do they want to live in.

Why do we have people who refuse to understand a subject before they spout, influencing our government. Nobody voted "New Conservative".

‘Re-education centre’, that’s about right.

And what about all those ‘economically inactive’ people who are already unpaid carers?

I didn’t know whether or not to post on here, because it’s just beyond soul destroying now

Yes they are gunning for those of us who are 'economically inactive' now, which includes myself. The disabled are terrified about what will be coming for us next ....

Wyllow3

Grantanow

We are very short of workers to fill jobs in the UK and we have many immigrants sitting in hotels doing nothing at enormous tax cost. Many if them have shown resilience and ability in getting here in very difficult journeys and many already have skills. Why on earth can't we offer them training and jobs? It's fantasy to think jobs are going to be filled by nonexistent younger Brits. The new Tories are simply pandering to their racist supporters and the Brexit flag wavers. Putting them on barges won't help.

this.

And me.

Whitewavemark2

Siope

I can only repeat what I’ve posted on another thread

It’s literally all they have now, isn’t it? Creating culture wars and inciting fear of others in a desperate attempt to cling on to their seats, regardless of the economic and social impacts.

I hope there are saner, more responsible conservative MPs who will speak out against this nonsense. It will be telling - and tragic - if not.

So absolutely bloody true!

Exactly! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually bringing them in, they've stooped so low. Not women and children/families at all, just single men ... probably been offered a back-hander to come.

vintage1950

My MIL spent her last few years in a residential home, looked after by very kind carers, some of whom did not speak English well. However, the home management's policy was to insist that all staff spoke English when on duty. (They also had a free meal).

I'm pleased to hear that was happening as one bugbear of mine in hospitals (particularly my local hellhole) is that a lot of them get together and speak in a different language and could be saying Lord know what about the patients! I mentioned that in my complaint but it got ignored - I think it should be hospital policy too.

Grantanow

We are very short of workers to fill jobs in the UK and we have many immigrants sitting in hotels doing nothing at enormous tax cost. Many if them have shown resilience and ability in getting here in very difficult journeys and many already have skills. Why on earth can't we offer them training and jobs? It's fantasy to think jobs are going to be filled by nonexistent younger Brits. The new Tories are simply pandering to their racist supporters and the Brexit flag wavers. Putting them on barges won't help.

this.

We are very short of workers to fill jobs in the UK and we have many immigrants sitting in hotels doing nothing at enormous tax cost. Many if them have shown resilience and ability in getting here in very difficult journeys and many already have skills. Why on earth can't we offer them training and jobs? It's fantasy to think jobs are going to be filled by nonexistent younger Brits. The new Tories are simply pandering to their racist supporters and the Brexit flag wavers. Putting them on barges won't help.

People's skill in a foreign language improves quickly with time when they are living in the country. Most councils can find access to language courses if needed. Surely that is better than, as Wyllow says, someone who doesnt want to be working there.

Whitewavemark2

I can’t do links on my machine. But this?

BBC Radio 4 Today
@BBCr4today
"We’re proposing to shut that route so employers look at recruiting local young people"

Miriam Cates, MP in the New Conservatives group which wants stricter measures to curb immigration, says ending temporary visa schemes would encourage Brits to fill care sector jobs.

Local 'young people' would be doing the job already if they wanted to! They don't, and can get more working in Aldi ....

Sadly one of them is my MP, and unless everyone votes tactically in the next election, we aren't likely to get shot of him - Danny 'it's not your fanny' Kruger, a particularly vile creature, his mother Pru Leith must be very proud, although probably doesn't want him near when she is dying.

www.channel4.com/programmes/prue-and-dannys-death-road-trip

My MIL spent her last few years in a residential home, looked after by very kind carers, some of whom did not speak English well. However, the home management's policy was to insist that all staff spoke English when on duty. (They also had a free meal).