Transgender-paedophi le-66-spared-jail-ca se-delayed. don't know where to send .

Yes, the sexual violence is very hetero-male, isn't it? Yet more evidence of the patriarchal roots (and branches) of the trans movement.

More interesting that generally transmen dont do that.
I dont think there is anything that demonstrates the importance of sex rather than gender than the differences in experience between transmen and transwomen.

It's noticeable that TW activists - when they are haranguing and demonstrating against "TERFS" frequently use vocabulary and slogans which are sexually explicit, and threatening. Like, "suck my big girl d**k, bitch*.

This is typical male sexual aggression when the misogynistic male ego is being challenged.

This world has gone mad.
Simple solution should be that a DNA test is carried out,if it comes back as male he should be put in a male jail.
You can`t argue with the fact that if you are born male or female,you can`t decide your the opposite regardless of what you think you are.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148946/transgender-pf.pdf

This shows all the hoops that have to be jumped through with a convicted person who is transgender. I think the newspaper report might have been a bit misleading. How much additional tax payers money trans criminals are costing is concerning. Talk about special treatment and walking on eggshells.

That's perfectly clear to me, Madgran. Where does it stop?

Allowing people to identify as they wish is fair enough, but insisting that everyone else buys into that identification is where the problems start. Where there is differential treatment between the sexes it is for a reason, but taking it away removes the protection but the reason it was needed is still there.

Also, asking people (particularly children) to deny the evidence of their eyes and call men 'she', or accept that a drag queen is a woman, or a cat is a child is deeply dangerous. We need to be able to trust our feelings, and to describe what has happened to us in language that makes sense.

Sexual assault and rape are different things. 'He followed me home' is not the same as 'she followed me home'. Girl Guides camping together has a different set of connotations from a mixed sex group sharing a tent. The more the language is colonised the less the real meaning is clear, and none of this is to the advantage of women and girls.

My post above was to Doodledog btw 😏

It is not the law at fault here

I agree. It is the non application of the law that is at fault. All sentencing should be based on the nature of the crime , not on special circumstances, pleading or anything else similar. I think we agree and I'm not explaining myself clearly enough. I think that what has happened here could easily be replicated beyon the trans prisiners issue into other areas of sentencing and that is very concerning.

Well there has to be some way to distract from the fact that men commit the majority of violent crimes. It's so inconvenient.

Doodledog

*That would apply to every rapist, not only transwomen.*

Well yes, of course. But rapists are men, which is the point. Saying that rape (with a penis) is the same as sexual assault (which can be equally traumatic, but is a different crime for all sorts of cultural and psychological reasons) is removing that difference. Rape is about power and male dominance of women.

Rape is about power and male dominance of women.

Which is exactly what this is about. Get rid of the notion of what we define as rape to further erode women as a protected group. Make it 'illegal' to define trans women as "biological males"... ultimately, women - the threat to male supremacy - will be dissolved completely, with no rights, no say, no power. We will be what they want us to be, completely powerless.

That would apply to every rapist, not only transwomen.

Well yes, of course. But rapists are men, which is the point. Saying that rape (with a penis) is the same as sexual assault (which can be equally traumatic, but is a different crime for all sorts of cultural and psychological reasons) is removing that difference. Rape is about power and male dominance of women.

Brief, fun video from Mr Menno (2 mins) on men calling themselves female.

youtu.be/KlThuSKvILc

but note the way the trans lobby want to change the law so that rape - one of the very few crimes that can only be committed by a man - becomes downgraded so that a transwoman committing it with his penis is considered guilty only of sexual assault.

That would apply to every rapist, not only transwomen.

If the trans lobby is pushing for that, tho, it is to avoid people saying that a rapist, by definition, is a male.
Since women can commit sexual assault too and women can have penises and women are of course female.

And yes, that genuinely is the sort of 'reasoning' they're using in order to try to get what they want - which is erasing the categories of 'woman' and 'female' by allowing men to claim to be women and females.

Silvergirl

Definitely should be in a male prison until he has reassignment surgery in which case “she” should be in a female prison. Keep it simple.

He is never female.
Surgery never makes a male into a female.
Surgery doesn't remove a male's physical strength or his aggressive tendency.

Would you want to be locked in a cell with such a person Silvergirl?
Or to have to shower with him in communal showers?
Or mix with him in communal areas of the prison?

I don't care who they are, get them in prison for as long as possible. Solitary would work anywhere

There are legal limits on how long someone can be kept in solitary.
He should be with the other male sex offenders.

The shutting down debate ended a couple of years ago, some keep trying to resurrect it but it really is over. The debates and discussions being had by high profile women (in the main) would not have happened a few years ago.

Doodledog

The Law doesn’t (usually*) differentiate between male and female - if something is illegal it shouldn’t matter whether the perpetrator is a man or a woman.

It is not the law at fault here, it is the tidal wave of idiocy that allows special pleading for those who see themselves as above it all, and who think they have the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us.

Part of the punishment of a jail sentence is that the offender loses the freedom to eat or sleep or do what they like when they like. They have to fit in, and do as they are told.

Prisoners are no longer ‘Captain Mainwairing of the Home Guard’ or Mrs Bouquet the lady of the house’, with whatever privileges those identities confer. They operate under the same strictures as all the others, however special they are in their own heads.

And rightly so. If someone is at higher risk than others they should get more protection, but they shouldn’t be able to dictate where they are sent, or whether they serve their sentence with the opposite sex. Allowing people that choice is what is asinine - not the law that says paedophilia is punishable by jail.

* but note the way the trans lobby want to change the law so that rape - one of the very few crimes that can only be committed by a man - becomes downgraded so that a transwoman commuting it with his penis is considered guilty only of sexual assault.

* but note the way the trans lobby want to change the law so that rape - one of the very few crimes that can only be committed by a man - becomes downgraded so that a transwoman commuting it with his penis is considered guilty only of sexual assault.

If this is true, it is appalling and frightening. I also read - a tweet from a trans woman (activist?) - who wants to make the terminology "biological male" a slur against trans women, and suggests that "debate is fine" but that this phraseology should not be used in any discussions. Attempting to define the parameters by which this matter can be discussed is censorship - and IMO a method by which they can ultimately close down debate all together.

We really do have a fight on our hands here...

The Law doesn’t (usually*) differentiate between male and female - if something is illegal it shouldn’t matter whether the perpetrator is a man or a woman.

It is not the law at fault here, it is the tidal wave of idiocy that allows special pleading for those who see themselves as above it all, and who think they have the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us.

Part of the punishment of a jail sentence is that the offender loses the freedom to eat or sleep or do what they like when they like. They have to fit in, and do as they are told.

Prisoners are no longer ‘Captain Mainwairing of the Home Guard’ or Mrs Bouquet the lady of the house’, with whatever privileges those identities confer. They operate under the same strictures as all the others, however special they are in their own heads.

And rightly so. If someone is at higher risk than others they should get more protection, but they shouldn’t be able to dictate where they are sent, or whether they serve their sentence with the opposite sex. Allowing people that choice is what is asinine - not the law that says paedophilia is punishable by jail.

* but note the way the trans lobby want to change the law so that rape - one of the very few crimes that can only be committed by a man - becomes downgraded so that a transwoman commuting it with his penis is considered guilty only of sexual assault.

Doodledog

*And with over crowded prisons and ancient prison stock, its obvious where this type of decision making might go.*
This worries me when people say that the answer is purpose-built wings for transpeople. Why should someone get to go to a modern, purpose-built 'house' rather than a Victorian cell simply because he 'identifies' as a woman, when an offender who has committed a less serious crime has to slop out in an overcrowded jail because he doesn't.

I wasnt saying that Doodledog.

I was referring to the principle of sentencing being based on the law for specific crimes rather than other issues like "what to do with the offender" when found guilty."

My point is that this is a dangerous road to go down and once applied it could be used in the context of our overcrowded prisons and old stock as in "Well you are guilty but there is no room so we'll suspend your sentence instead!"

On this particular case it is SO wrong that this person has been found guilty of a serious crime and been given a suspended sentence because "we don't know where to put them!" Completely Gob- smacking and not sentencing based on law!

Casdon

Glorianny

This seems to be something to do with reports from the probation service and a time lapse. Regardless of the transgender issue it seems extraordinary that a paedophile can have a reduced sentence because of a time delay, but a 15 year old girl can be sentenced to prison 4 years after the crime. Something is wrong with the justice system.

Not getting involved, just a statement of fact. He was sentenced through a Magistrates Court, whereas her case was at Crown Court. The two systems have different systems and sanctions.

It seems then that a Magistrates court can ignore sentencing rules when it chooses but a Crown court cannot. Which only shows the Law is an ass.

Agree Dickens and Doodledog with the " erasing " of women's rights by transgender activists.
It is also very disturbing to find sentencing affected by matters not related to the crime. How is this just?

I agree, Iam, but when these discussions happen there is usually a call for special trans wings, just as there are for trans toilets and changing rooms. It seems reasonable, but the reality would be that the men who identified as women would get the new, bigger, better versions and women would be left with the rest.

It’s the same with loos in public buildings - women get baby changing, disabled access and so-called ‘gender neutral’ in with us, and the men keep their original ones, plus they have the right to use ours, as there is no longer a Ladies.

Doodledog, we don’t need to build new prisons. It’s possible to identify specific areas, as with section 43 prisoners.

I’m disgusted this paedophile isn’t in prison. Indecent images of children mean children have been sexually abused. Prison now

And not to be further abused by people denying what has happened to them.

We get so caught up in the right and wrongs of these situations that we forget about the victims, they should have the satisfaction of knowing the law and sentencing is carried out as set out!