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lemsip Thu 06-Jul-23 09:28:49

Transgender paedophile, 66, is spared jail after the case was delayed over discussions about whether the pervert should go to a male or female jail.Former prison worker Tanya Howes, 66, was told by magistrates that the offences 'would normally attract immediate custody' but they made the 'unusual' decision to suspend her 12-month jail term after the debate caused a 'time lag'.

Howes, who is identified in court documents as female and referred to in court by female pronouns, previously admitted three charges of possessing www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12269001/Transgender-paedophile-66-spared-jail-case-delayed.html#comments images of children, including 39 of the most serious category A photographs, on February 19 2020.

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Casdon Thu 06-Jul-23 19:59:06

Glorianny

This seems to be something to do with reports from the probation service and a time lapse. Regardless of the transgender issue it seems extraordinary that a paedophile can have a reduced sentence because of a time delay, but a 15 year old girl can be sentenced to prison 4 years after the crime. Something is wrong with the justice system.

Not getting involved, just a statement of fact. He was sentenced through a Magistrates Court, whereas her case was at Crown Court. The two systems have different systems and sanctions.

Doodledog Thu 06-Jul-23 19:53:32

And with over crowded prisons and ancient prison stock, its obvious where this type of decision making might go.
This worries me when people say that the answer is purpose-built wings for transpeople. Why should someone get to go to a modern, purpose-built 'house' rather than a Victorian cell simply because he 'identifies' as a woman, when an offender who has committed a less serious crime has to slop out in an overcrowded jail because he doesn't.

Silvergirl Thu 06-Jul-23 19:47:26

Definitely should be in a male prison until he has reassignment surgery in which case “she” should be in a female prison. Keep it simple.

Galaxy Thu 06-Jul-23 19:38:09

He needs to be in a Male prison as do all men.

VioletSky Thu 06-Jul-23 19:25:07

Glorianny

This seems to be something to do with reports from the probation service and a time lapse. Regardless of the transgender issue it seems extraordinary that a paedophile can have a reduced sentence because of a time delay, but a 15 year old girl can be sentenced to prison 4 years after the crime. Something is wrong with the justice system.

I agree

I don't care who they are, get them in prison for as long as possible. Solitary would work anywhere

Madgran77 Thu 06-Jul-23 19:15:32

What is also truly shocking in this case is that the decision has been taken NOT on the basis of the crime committed but on the basis of a lack of an agreed protocol for offenders with specific needs. In other words the law is not being applied in sentencing, just the lack of clarity about "what to do with the offender"!

This sets a precedent for the law not to be applied in sentencing for anything really!! And with over crowded prisons and ancient prison stock, its obvious where this type of decision making might go.

How on earth can someone committing this crime be given a suspended sentence just because the law doesn't know what to with them!

Mollygo Thu 06-Jul-23 18:53:53

Doodledog

BeverleyJB
Excellent posts Doodledog and Dickens.

It has happened before, including where the judge has actually said that he wouldn't sentence the male paedophile (who identifies as a woman) to a prison sentence because it would be “too difficult” for such a man to spend time either in a male or female prison.

The law really isn't an ass, it's just that so many men are wretched misogynists.
Why on earth it should be what the man 'finds difficult' that matters is beyond me. How difficult would it be for a female cellmate to be locked up with him?

Agreed, but would the concerns of the female cell mate count?

LauraNorderr Thu 06-Jul-23 18:45:27

Sorry, I thought I’d quoted Doodledog’s post of 15.46.
There is an awful lot wrong with the justice system in the U.K.

Doodledog Thu 06-Jul-23 18:44:49

BeverleyJB

Excellent posts Doodledog and Dickens.

It has happened before, including where the judge has actually said that he wouldn't sentence the male paedophile (who identifies as a woman) to a prison sentence because it would be “too difficult” for such a man to spend time either in a male or female prison.

The law really isn't an ass, it's just that so many men are wretched misogynists.

Why on earth it should be what the man 'finds difficult' that matters is beyond me. How difficult would it be for a female cellmate to be locket up with him?

LauraNorderr Thu 06-Jul-23 18:43:25

Sadly this is very true in many areas of law.

Theexwife Thu 06-Jul-23 18:34:22

I think he should go to a female prison and let the inmates punish him.

BeverleyJB Thu 06-Jul-23 18:21:53

Excellent posts Doodledog and Dickens.

It has happened before, including where the judge has actually said that he wouldn't sentence the male paedophile (who identifies as a woman) to a prison sentence because it would be “too difficult” for such a man to spend time either in a male or female prison.

The law really isn't an ass, it's just that so many men are wretched misogynists.

Galaxy Thu 06-Jul-23 17:02:02

Yes no men whatever they have done to their bodies in female prisons.

FarNorth Thu 06-Jul-23 16:20:31

Beckett

I don't see why it can't be decided what prison they should be sent to if this person is still physically male then it should be a male prison - or is that too logical?

This person, and every other male, is always physically male.

Doodledog Thu 06-Jul-23 15:46:07

Callistemon21

Glorianny

This seems to be something to do with reports from the probation service and a time lapse. Regardless of the transgender issue it seems extraordinary that a paedophile can have a reduced sentence because of a time delay, but a 15 year old girl can be sentenced to prison 4 years after the crime. Something is wrong with the justice system.

Something is wrong with the justice system

Yes, I agree.

Me too.

Callistemon21 Thu 06-Jul-23 15:09:02

Glorianny

This seems to be something to do with reports from the probation service and a time lapse. Regardless of the transgender issue it seems extraordinary that a paedophile can have a reduced sentence because of a time delay, but a 15 year old girl can be sentenced to prison 4 years after the crime. Something is wrong with the justice system.

Something is wrong with the justice system

Yes, I agree.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 06-Jul-23 15:01:22

For once Glorianny I find myself agreeing with you.

Glorianny Thu 06-Jul-23 14:49:54

This seems to be something to do with reports from the probation service and a time lapse. Regardless of the transgender issue it seems extraordinary that a paedophile can have a reduced sentence because of a time delay, but a 15 year old girl can be sentenced to prison 4 years after the crime. Something is wrong with the justice system.

AGAA4 Thu 06-Jul-23 14:38:24

Is this going to be a "get out of gaol free" card for some transwomen? A man who should have been imprisoned and could be a danger to children has managed to bypass the legal system by saying he is a woman as prisons are not equipped to take him.

Callistemon21 Thu 06-Jul-23 14:23:35

the Transgender Case Board

???

dolphindaisy Thu 06-Jul-23 14:22:06

Simple - If a biological man claims to be a woman so he can go to a woman's prison he should agree to reassignment surgery first, after all, isn't that his ultimate ambition?

Callistemon21 Thu 06-Jul-23 14:21:06

Well said Doodledog and Dickens.

Solitary might be the best thing * Beckett*?

Smileless2012 Thu 06-Jul-23 13:46:59

Too logical I'm afraid Beckett.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 06-Jul-23 13:43:50

I agree with Doodledog and Dickens

Dickens Thu 06-Jul-23 13:20:38

Doodledog

It is unbelievable how many advantages there are for a certain type of man to 'identify' as a woman, and use the fact that this must now be accepted for ill.

Access to vulnerable women and girls, the ability to cheat at sport and get high value prizes, the ability to commit sex crimes and avoid being incarcerated on the 'nonces'' wing of a male prison, but instead going to jail amongst women who are likely to be physically weaker and who can be raped or otherwise sexually assaulted by men who have already got a history of committing such offences.

This is without the fact that women no longer have a right to do things together (eg the WI and Guiding) without men imposing themselves 'because they can', and that meetings of feminists are now regularly disrupted by TRAs dressed as women calling for the rape and murder of so-called 'TERFs'.

This is all so detrimental to the rights of women that it is difficult to believe we have let it happen. It is time someone stepped in to reverse the way this is going, before it is too late.

This is without the fact that women no longer have a right to do things together (eg the WI and Guiding) without men imposing themselves 'because they can', and that meetings of feminists are now regularly disrupted by TRAs dressed as women calling for the rape and murder of so-called 'TERFs'.

Yes - women are being erased as a demographic. Whilst men are not. It's the warped patriarchy in a dress. We are a threat to them, and they've found the most lethal way to deal with it... by attempting to infiltrate and erase the very notion of womanhood.

And you are right, we have to stop it before it's too late - when opposition will be, as it is being already, completely banned from public discourse. When our jobs and even lives will be under threat for failing to be "inclusive".