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Bonus Holes..as an alternative to a vagina.

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DiamondLily Sun 09-Jul-23 09:36:42

From a Woman's charity, dedicated to women's health,

What a revolting name, for a vagina. Who thinks up this nonsense?🙄

Julie Bindell has written an article for the DM:

"As holes go, they are arguably the most important in the world. Every man and woman ever to have lived – except those born by caesarean section – has sprung forth into this world from one.

And yet a charity dedicated to women's health, Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, is suggesting that the word 'vagina' could be referred to as the 'bonus hole' to avoid offending or excluding trans men or 'non-binary' people.

As a feminist campaigner, I am appalled. I've spent time over the decades trying to raise awareness among women about our bodies.

I've encouraged women to unlearn the shame associated with our biology.

So the idea that we should stop referring to the vagina by its name is grossly offensive.

I grew up absorbing the message that our bodies were dirty.

We would use euphemisms to describe its parts, because 'vagina' and even 'breast' were considered unpleasant.

I recall, back in the Eighties, buying tampons only to have the shopkeeper quickly put the box in a brown paper bag as if it were a porn magazine. But we feminists learned to take pride in our physical form.

I would shake the tampons out of the bag to make the point that I was not ashamed of menstruating. After all, it's a reality for half the population.

It's worth noting that this form of McCarthyite censorship is reserved for descriptions of female anatomy only. That's why this is nothing short of misogyny.

There is no such suggestion, of course, to swap words that men use to describe their biology.

Perhaps, to be fair, we should change 'penis' to 'flesh roll' to avoid offending trans women? I'm sure men won't object. Just a thought."

www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-12278639/JULIE-BINDEL-says-womens-health-charity-guilty-short-misogyny-again.html

M0nica Sat 15-Jul-23 07:58:35

Why cannot doctors come up with an anatomical description of the aperture? Then this term, and any others can simply be a colloquial term used by those who want to.

Think about all the colloquial terms used to name the penix and other genital organs, not to mention other parts in the body.

NotSpaghetti Fri 14-Jul-23 10:38:12

Lovetopaint037 - it's not a joke

If you read the thread you will see it's from a document for professionals dealing with a particular section of the trans community.

Elegran Fri 14-Jul-23 09:26:38

Yet another reason to try to improve the accurate recording of crime statistics - on victims as well as perpetrators.

Lathyrus Fri 14-Jul-23 08:33:56

The trouble with those figures icanhandthemback is that they are figures for gay and transgender. The LGBT+ conflation that doesn’t actually then tell what is happening.

We can’t tell from those figures whether it is actually trans people who are disproportionately attacked or whether it is mostly GLB. And actually a number of those incidents will actually be Gay and Lesbians who have been attacked by trans people. It’s ironic that those incidents are then included.

It’s easy to make a mantra and if you say it often enough people start to accept it as fact but this particular one hasn’t any reliable data to back it up.

Lovetopaint037 Fri 14-Jul-23 03:55:49

It’s a joke!!! It makes vagina sound real classy. Sounds like the thing that a load of drunk blokes might cook up for a so called laugh. The world has not only gone mad it is twisting itself into a mental destruction of common sense.

icanhandthemback Thu 13-Jul-23 23:42:39

Two articles Lathyrus
www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

www.surrey.ac.uk/news/trans-people-and-cisgender-gay-men-uk-are-most-likely-experience-violence

This is the last answer from me about violence and transgender because this thread is not about that. It is about terminology used to describe the vagina!

Lathyrus Thu 13-Jul-23 22:14:28

Do you have any evidence that trans people are disproportionately targeted? It’s a mantra but I don’t believe the figures bear that out.

icanhandthemback Thu 13-Jul-23 21:28:28

I was talking generally and trans people are disproportionately targeted. However, as I said in my post, that is an entirely different thread to this one.

FarNorth Thu 13-Jul-23 19:08:10

icanhandthemback have you seen or heard instances of similar declarations & support for violent intent from GC people towards trans people or their allies?

DiamondLily Thu 13-Jul-23 16:04:27

Well, I was an old fashioned feminist (back in the day). and campaigned for equal rights for women, both in their personal life and at work.

I didn't ever think all men were evil (some did), nor did I ever feel violence towards anyone.🙄

Iam64 Thu 13-Jul-23 15:58:52

Trans violence isn’t a two way street. Violence against women continues to increase. Feminists have never, so far as I’m aware, threatened to ‘rape you to death with my lady penis’. This threat was made to friends of mine who attended a women’s conference and attended a workshop on safe spaces.

Trans people are subject to threats and abuse - usually by men

Smileless2012 Thu 13-Jul-23 14:46:59

Good news about his arrest.

icanhandthemback Thu 13-Jul-23 13:48:03

DiamondLily

Good. Inciting violence helps nothing. 🙄

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12294651/Trans-activist-told-crowd-punch-TERFs-face-arrested-incitement-violence.html

I think you'll find trans violence is a 2 way street. Both ways are completely wrong and both should be considered equally seriously with charges being pressed against the offender. However, that has nothing to do with the original post on this thread.

FarNorth Thu 13-Jul-23 13:47:11

I hope he's in a male prison.

DiamondLily Thu 13-Jul-23 13:03:55

Good. Inciting violence helps nothing. 🙄

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12294651/Trans-activist-told-crowd-punch-TERFs-face-arrested-incitement-violence.html

TerriBull Thu 13-Jul-23 12:31:05

Eureka! Betty Sue, Sarah Lou or whatever that person calls themselves has been arrested for inciting violence, threatening to punch Terfs' faces in. Strange how it took so long hmm

NotSpaghetti Thu 13-Jul-23 10:21:41

This has now been "fact checked"
It is a
document for medical staff leading cervical screenings with trans men or non-binary patients in which the terms "bonus hole" and "front hole" were listed as alternatives to the word "vagina."

NotSpaghetti Thu 13-Jul-23 10:11:34

Sorry.
Autocorrect!

Should have said:

It has been used as a term amongst trans men since 2007.

#nothingnew

2007, Merri Lisa Johnson, Third Wave Feminism and Television: Jane Puts it in Box I.B.Tauris

NotSpaghetti Thu 13-Jul-23 10:09:26

It has been used as a term amongst transactions men since 2007.

#nothingness

2007, Merri Lisa Johnson, Third Wave Feminism and Television: Jane Puts it in Box, I.B.Tauris

Lathyrus Thu 13-Jul-23 09:49:49

This is a charity that is supposed to benefit women’s health.

How many women will be put off accessing a Charity that refers to vaginas as bonus holes. Quite a lot, I think.

I would feel that I wouldn’t be treated with respect. It is very similar to the Women’s Refuge that most women didn’t want to use.

Once again males have succeeded in making a place that was created for women a hostile and unwelcoming environment.

What is the point of a Charity that alienates many of those it is supposed to help?

FarNorth Thu 13-Jul-23 09:24:39

To signal how wonderful they are, I expect.
It would have been perfectly adequate to say that they're happy to use any terms that patients want for their anatomy.

DiamondLily Thu 13-Jul-23 08:56:15

Smileless2012

Exactly DL. We don't need to know what other names individuals assign to their body parts, so why has this been publicised?

I don't know, but it was the health charity that bought it to public attention.🙂

Smileless2012 Thu 13-Jul-23 08:52:46

Exactly DL. We don't need to know what other names individuals assign to their body parts, so why has this been publicised?

DiamondLily Thu 13-Jul-23 08:35:49

My argument was that this has been used by a Women's health charity, in their publicity, aimed at women and their health.

Giving body parts silly names, that have never been used before, will just add confusion for those women who perhaps don't speak English as a first language.

It does sound like it's for a golf course.

People might call their bits and bobs all sorts of things - but leaflets, publicity, articles etc should be factually correct with their language.🙄

Smileless2012 Wed 12-Jul-23 19:52:25

We'll have to wait and see if this particular term isn't extended to women in general but I'm not convinced it wont be bearing in mind what we've already witnessed.

I'll ask again, why this needed to be publicised in the first place? Why would anyone apart from a patient and their medical care giver, need to know what name someone assigns to their body parts?

grin Mr. S. said the same thing Laura only it was a pint, not a G & T.