Bonus Holes..as an alternative to a vagina.

Spinnaker

How's this one - pain pit ! As recently described by GC just having had the talk and slideshow in school, aged 6/7 year olds group.

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Seriously?
That's absolutely appalling.

Transwomen want the word 'vagina' for themselves and for expressions such as 'front hole' (or anything other than 'vagina') to be used for women's vaginas.

Transmen who want to have sex with gay men may want to present their vagina as a 'bonus hole' i.e. something not usually available to gay men.

Yes really.

I am offended by ‘bonus hole’. I am a woman and have a vagina and I was born with it.
. Trans women can call it what they like, but what they have is not a vagina , and never will be

JaneJudge

calling it a bonus hole is so misogynistic it is unreal!

I so agree. It’s misogynistic and also so infantile. Call it what it is, a vagina, whatever gender you claim to be.

This is why these threads are not for me so why do you keep posting and commenting on them Violetsky ???

Sparklefizz

Thanks for starting this thread DiamondLily. I read this online last night and I was so furious that I'm sure it was the cause of the sleepless night I had.

How dare they? Women are being side-lined in so many ways just to appease a vociferous and aggressive minority. I am deeply offended - it's disgusting and crude and unbelievable.

As Shinamae says, the world has gone truly mad.

Exactly

I despair, I really do.
I know I'm an oldie now, but every day there seems to be more of 'The King's New Clothes" about the world I am having to live in.

DiamondLily It's worth noting that this form of McCarthyite censorship is reserved for descriptions of female anatomy only. That's why this is nothing short of misogyny.

There is no such suggestion, of course, to swap words that men use to describe their biology.

Perhaps, to be fair, we should change 'penis' to 'flesh roll' to avoid offending trans women? I'm sure men won't object. Just a thought.

Indeed.

I'll not be comfortable changing female body part word until males must change their word penis - to something equally daft.

Perhaps, when pigs fly I can change my attitude.

calling it a bonus hole is so misogynistic it is unreal!

I think it’s wrong for anyone dealing with a medical procedure to use a euphemism or pet type name.

All medical procedures and consultations need to be professional and absolutely clear and to that we need a term that had an agreed meaning no matter who is being spoken to.

If the term vagina is distressing to those who have one they need to be helped to acceptance of the medical condition of their bodies.

Years ago medical terms were a closed shop and patients were treated as simple and unable to deal with truth.

To suggest it is to patronise. Are trans men really incapable of dealing with the reality of their lives and the condition of their own bodies?

VioletSky

Iam64

Violet, I understand your point and couldn’t disagree more. Bonus hole sounds disgustingly like yet another orifice women can have penetrated.

If you don’t see the offence, nothing anyone says will change that.

The truth is it doesn't refer to women at all

Women are not impacted by this

I am not sure trans men will choose this term either

So a non issue

But obviously the trans debate needs more wood chucked on to keep the fire burning so that everyone can lose their minds about yet another lie

This is why these threads are not for me.

Sorry VioletSky your post is nonsensical, only women have what is being described as a bonus hole (vagina) which of course you know.

Obviously this only refers and impacts on those of us born as women…

I do remember just before my firs daughter was born and my mum was staying with me pulling out the bag from the chicken and declaring that it was a girl !

I learned recently that my 12 year old granddaughter was told that was the “baby hole”.
Does that mean our mouths are food holes and that we have wee holes, hearing holes, poo holes etc etc.
I too despair. Though my sex education was delivered once a year by the “bunny lady” as she seemed to be pregnant each time she came to our girl’s boarding school in the 60’s.

Iam64

Violet, I understand your point and couldn’t disagree more. Bonus hole sounds disgustingly like yet another orifice women can have penetrated.

If you don’t see the offence, nothing anyone says will change that.

The truth is it doesn't refer to women at all

Women are not impacted by this

I am not sure trans men will choose this term either

So a non issue

But obviously the trans debate needs more wood chucked on to keep the fire burning so that everyone can lose their minds about yet another lie

This is why these threads are not for me.

This nonsense seriously has to stop. Also one of the menstrual products brands is referring to women as women+ to try and be inclusive. If you not angry, then you’re not listening.

Children and adults being interviewed about sexual offences have endless different names for their ‘private parts’. We really don’t need to introduce this nonsense to already complex work

Violet, I understand your point and couldn’t disagree more. Bonus hole sounds disgustingly like yet another orifice women can have penetrated.

If you don’t see the offence, nothing anyone says will change that.

If a trans man doesn't want a vagina, they can have a surgical procedure to have it removed (vaginectomy) and a reconstruction of a uretha and penis.

So why is there a need to rename it? A vagina by any other name is a vagina.

I've never heard such absolute nonsense in all my life. Personally I'm sick to death of constantly hearing about things related to bodies which have been the same for thousands, if not millions, of years - and we've all managed. I'm sick of woke, political correctness, menopause issues, gender issues ... for goodness sake aren't there more pressing things to worry about.

How unbearably crude!

Why not just refer to the whole woman as a hole - as only the coarsest Glaswegian man did in my youth, and only when talking to another man.

A vagina is a vagina, irrespective of whether it is ever used for bringing a child into the world or not.

So surely one made during a sex-change operation is just as much a vagina, as the one I was born with.

People may in their private lives call it whatever they want, but medical professionals, charities, or anyone else who in their dealings with the general public might need to mention a vagina or a penis should, in my candid opinion, stick to these two well-known, decent terms.

Oh, and from the pedant's point of view, it is hardly bonus - most of us came into this world equipped with ours and use it for the functions it is designed for.

Just letting you all know that the truth of this story is that it's a term for some patients (for example trans men who do not want a vagina) to choose if they prefer it and not a term being applied to all women in any way.

Also there is no term for men as in general as men do not get cervical cancer. Only trans men are at risk of cervical cancer.

Completely embeleshed nonsense from the Daily Mail and no need for women to be offended

Definition of the noun bonus is something in addition to what is expected or strictly due. So, if a trans man has a vagina bearing in mind that he was born a she, why is that an addition?

I suppose it could be unexpected if someone thought they were a biological male.

When I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was 'a bonus to who?' Is it a bonus to a trans man to retain their vagina and if so why?

Oh my goodness, bonus hole?!! That is absolutely disgusting and deeply offends me and a good proportion of biological women and girls. Why don't our feelings matter? Why are the feelings of a certain number of people all that matter and ours don't? Actually I'm almost speechless with indignation and disgust. YUK!

Recent pictures of a trans woman chest feeding, a task that would at first seem impossible until a cocktail of drugs were listed to facilitate that, which begs the question how would those affect the baby? It was also noted that the trans woman described them selves as a "mum" and not a birth giver, so it seems a mum is acceptable in certain instances, but not others. "Curious and curiouser" remarked Alice, although at least she woke up and found the bizarre world that made little sense down the rabbit hole was just a dream, if only!

A bonus hole???!!! Everyday something more bizarre turns up and people think it’s acceptable! I am a woman with all the things already mentioned. Do trans people actually want this name??