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BBC presenter allegations.

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Kandinsky Sun 09-Jul-23 13:10:49

I know the last thread was taken down at the op’s request - but if anyone wants to continue discussing this major news item I’ve started this one.

Iam64 Tue 11-Jul-23 08:43:19

A vulnerable 17 year old involved in photographic images is seen legally as a child.

I won’t attempt to raise the issue of power imbalance

Anniebach Tue 11-Jul-23 08:47:31

Yet the parents said nothing 3 years ago

Doodledog Tue 11-Jul-23 08:48:38

The child employed a lawyer and that cost a lot.
Yes. No speculation there. I wonder how the lawyer is being funded? 🤔

On an entirely separate and unrelated note, Phillip Schofield is on record as saying that he is paying for legal representation for the young man with whom he had an 'unwise but not illegal' 'relationship'. Obviously I'm sure that someone somewhere will have ensured that there is no possible conflict of interest in that unusual situation, but I don't remember reading about that side of the deal.

Doodledog Tue 11-Jul-23 08:49:10

Anniebach

Yet the parents said nothing 3 years ago

Do you think the parents are to blame here, Annie?

Blondiescot Tue 11-Jul-23 08:49:55

Casdon

If a mother approached a newspaper with a major story related to their now adult child, the first thing the newspaper would do would be to corroborate the story with the person the allegations are being made on behalf of - aged 20.

If the Sun have not done that, whatever else transpires, then the book should be thrown at them.

I spent most of my working life as a reporter. One of the first things we were taught, even as raw cub reporters, was always to corroborate our story. Had I gone to my editor with this supposed tale, I'd have been sent packing (with a flea in my eye) to find some corroboration. Sadly The Sun has always played fast and loose with the 'facts' and it's only getting worse now.

Oreo Tue 11-Jul-23 08:52:13

Redhead56

I watched the news last night and the highlight was this very subject. Two other journalists discussed it as well as the main presenter Fiona Bruce.
What a waste of time that was the BBC are just covering themselves. That news headline took priority over events far worth talking about that’s typical of BBC.

Why shouldn’t it be important to the BBC? They’re the ones getting the aggro, and their presenters.
Btw every news channel is doing the same, even now on Tuesday it’s the leading story.
Not sure if the facts will ever be revealed.

Grantanow Tue 11-Jul-23 08:53:53

We need to be very careful in discussing this. The facts are in doubt and I wouldn't personally rely on any article in The Sun.

glammanana Tue 11-Jul-23 08:55:08

How sure are everyone that the young person is a young male and not female ?

Wyllow3 Tue 11-Jul-23 08:56:04

Pro bono? Sue the Sun? Or free as low income?

Doodledog Tue 11-Jul-23 09:06:37

The Sun, particularly since the Leveson Enquiry, will not publish anything without its lawyers scrutinising every single word. I'm not saying they are anywhere near the moral high ground - clearly they are not - but they will not publish anything illegal or untrue.

As a matter of interest, what do people think they have published which is not the case? Has anyone actually read The Sun's story? It is readily available online, and nobody will be tainted by reading it grin. There is nothing in there that cannot be verified, as all they say is that the mother went to them, not asking to be paid, as the BBC had not acted on their complaint. Today's headline is a quote from the parents - again, not disputable.

DiamondLily Tue 11-Jul-23 09:15:08

It seems more and more that this might have been an unsavoury situation, but it wasn't illegal.

A lot of people, with a crack habit, will do many things to fund it.

The mothers view that her son would stop the drugs, if the money wasn't forthcoming, was incredibly naive.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66081060

tickingbird Tue 11-Jul-23 09:20:00

I heard someone mention foster parents this morning as this case was being discussed. If this is the case then the young man has had a troubled background. It would be good if he can get over his addiction and method of earning money and lead a normal life. However, all this publicity can’t be helping matters and, of course, if the presenter has a wife and family, they must be in turmoil. No I don’t believe going to The Sun was the right thing to do.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 11-Jul-23 09:22:57

DiamondLily

It seems more and more that this might have been an unsavoury situation, but it wasn't illegal.

A lot of people, with a crack habit, will do many things to fund it.

The mothers view that her son would stop the drugs, if the money wasn't forthcoming, was incredibly naive.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66081060

"Unsavoury" is personal and, if course, very titillating to Sun readers.

It is still not for the parents to splash it all over the less savoury (in my opinion) newspapers.

Sago Tue 11-Jul-23 09:28:34

I have not read any report who refers to a son, all the reports I have read have been they/their pronouns.

DiamondLily Tue 11-Jul-23 09:34:15

No, I agree.

I think, personally, it's not good for young people to be filming sexual acts for money.

But, the young man is an adult, is entitled to make his own choices in life, and it wasn't up to his parents to get involved.

It's just disrupted his life further for all this to be thrown at him.

I understand the parents were upset - but chucking it all over a low-rent newspaper is not the way to go.

As he's been in foster care a while, it sounds as though there have been long standing problems anyway.

I hope the young man gets any help he needs, going forward.

Kandinsky Tue 11-Jul-23 09:39:23

Whatever the outcome of this is, the presenters career is over & his reputation ruined.
It could all be legal & above board, but anything involving paying for sex with a young person is ridiculously stupid if you’re in the public eye.

Anniebach Tue 11-Jul-23 09:43:14

Paying for sex ?

FannyCornforth Tue 11-Jul-23 09:46:54

Sago

I have not read any report who refers to a son, all the reports I have read have been they/their pronouns.

Hi, yes, it was me who said that I’d read ‘my son’ somewhere.
It must have been a secondary source, as like I said previously, I can’t find it; and I also agree that the mother uses neutral pronouns throughout

Kandinsky Tue 11-Jul-23 10:16:25

Paying for sex ?

Yes.
What else would you call it?

Art?

Blondiescot Tue 11-Jul-23 10:19:37

Kandinsky

*Paying for sex ?*

Yes.
What else would you call it?

Art?

As far as I'm aware, these 'allegations' only referred to photos. 'Paying for sex', to me anyway, would imply something of a physical nature.

Anniebach Tue 11-Jul-23 10:20:46

So looking at film , photographs, is having sex

Anniebach Tue 11-Jul-23 10:22:35

All the people who looked at topless girls in the Sun were having sex

Kandinsky Tue 11-Jul-23 10:27:28

So if your husband paid a 17 year old 1000’s to take their clothes off you’d be ok with it?

It’s nothing much & isn’t really sex?

How very liberal of you.
If it was my husband I’d be divorcing him.

Anniebach Tue 11-Jul-23 10:36:29

It is not ‘having sex’. Unless you class masturbation as having sex

tickingbird Tue 11-Jul-23 10:38:13

So if your husband paid a 17 year old 1000’s to take their clothes off you’d be ok with it?

So you’d divorce your husband for looking at pictures? Has he ever looked at a girlie mag or a porn film?

Plus there’s no evidence that the £1000’s paid was for pictures. That’s an awful lot of money for something that is ‘freely’ available.