BBC presenter allegations.

Maybe it comes down to point of view, but I think that's all most of us have been doing.

Doodledog

*So, will that affect the armchair detectives’ opinions?*

Your investigations and presentation of evidence from various sources suggest you are a bit of an 'armchair detective' yourself though, wouldn't you say? .

Not really. There is just so much information ( and misinformation) being shared on social media, then being repeated without people checking it out. I haven’t been trying to find the guilty party or the young person, I just find it interesting to see how the things reported in the media have become misquoted and misinterpreted. I’ve never thought that actually reading what other posters have written was ‘ investigating’ or‘ gathering evidence’, just wanting to see what others have to say.

Wyllow3

Galaxy I meant the young women doing *ex work which parents approved of and bought a house working on the Internet.

what interested me is that info from the lawyers for the young man concerned said he contacted the Sun *before publication of the *info from his mother and said it was not true*

Ahh, that was me who mentioned that - she's in her early 20s now, but was stripping when she was 18/19 and went onto OF soon after, as far as I know.

“Nothing to see here. Move along now please”.
It all seems bizarre.

Galaxy I meant the young women doing *ex work which parents approved of and bought a house working on the Internet.

what interested me is that info from the lawyers for the young man concerned said he contacted the Sun *before publication of the info from his mother and said it was not true

Iam64

Channel 4 reporting now that the young person told The Sun last week his parents complaint wasn’t based in reality. I don’t know The Sun’s view on that

I should imagine that The Sun’s lawyers would have been all over this.

What if any evidence did they provide the paper?

I am trying to believe that they had their child’s best interests at heart as opposed to a payout or five minutes of fame.

Whatever the outcome there will be no winners only losers in this.

Yes I would guess a world where you are adored and never challenged isnt healthy for anyone.
Do you mean the man locally to me who was arrested? It was filming a young person, no sex work involved as far as I know. The girl was 17, he was given a suspended prison sentence.
Sorry if I have answered the wrong question!

Galaxy

The trouble is it's not possible to discuss issues relating to the Beeb without someone shouting about anti beeb feeling and lack of critical thinking. I support the BBC but there have been a number of occasions where they have created a culture whch enabled inappropriate behaviour to thrive. The issues on dr who being a recent example.

I feel the same, Galaxy. I am very much in favour of a national but independent broadcaster which is not in the pay of advertisers, but it cannot be beyond criticism.

I also think that everyone is entitled to a private life, and sexual peccadillos should not be presented to the public for salacious reasons; but (and it's a big but) there are laws to protect young people for a reason, and nobody should be 'above' that.

NanaDada we will never agree on this, I know, but IMO the self-righteous hysteria is not coming from those who have posted that that they support an investigation into what has been alleged - which is not to say that I think that any names should have been suggested (and they haven't been on here).

Whatever the differences between the accounts of the mum and the child, the police should be able to see what actually happened and proceed as appropriate, which is as it should be. If there has been criminal activity then action should be taken, and if there hasn't there won't be. Young people (and whether or not they are deemed old enough for other things is not remotely relevant) deserve to be protected against their own immaturity as well as the ill intent of others.

Channel 4 reporting now that the young person told The Sun last week his parents complaint wasn’t based in reality. I don’t know The Sun’s view on that

Wouldn’t it be great if Murdoch has got this completely wrong…

What a mess. It’s not so dissimilar from the Schofield situation in that it appears the young person involved wants no publicity.
I’m reluctant to criticise mothers because we can all react less than wisely if we are worried about our young adult children.m it’s also probably judgemental but The Sun? At least the DM has a history of occasional investigative journalism.
I’m not sure what the bbc can investigate, which is what The Sun says they must do. There appears not to be a complaint.

Maybe the media generally, Galaxy? (ITV, film world, et al not exactly free of same). Still working my head around it but something to do with "celeb" and entitlement.

BTW, just out of interest, how old was the young woman you described *ex working on the internet?

The trouble is it's not possible to discuss issues relating to the Beeb without someone shouting about anti beeb feeling and lack of critical thinking. I support the BBC but there have been a number of occasions where they have created a culture whch enabled inappropriate behaviour to thrive. The issues on dr who being a recent example.

As soon as the police said they were not going atm to pursue investigation I thought there's something very weird going on here.

And so much for current conservative ministers weaponising it.
Anti Beeb?
Distraction?

they were very quick to get onto it, weren't they?

Yet old enough to join the army and be trained to kill. Old enough to legally have sex and make babies. What a warped world we live in.

The young person who is the alleged victim has now instructed a Lawyer (from a well-known multi-national company) to send a formal letter to the Sun advising them that the claims made by the parents are "total rubbish", and accusing the Sun of being complicit in an invasion of privacy. So what's it all been about? Nothing? And where does it go from here? Nowhere? If this so-called story hadn't been stoked up in the first place by a combination of the gutter press and the playground gossip of social media, it would have just quietly died the death. But no, let's make it a "major news item" and generate a bit of self-righteous hysteria. Any lessons learnt? I doubt it...

It's beginning to sound like a fight between mum and son. In public.

cui bono?

The Sun and its ilk.

The Sun printed what the mother told them, and there is so much mud swirling around this story now.Maybe they were misled or maybe they thought there was a real case.
I think it shows the worst face of SM where BBC presenters are now being talked about and rubbished by trolls.
Now the young man in question, not a young lad btw says that nothing improper ever happened.It’s madness!

Thank you Dickens, that post gave me some hope.

Casdon

Kate1949

IF and I emphasise IF, it transpires that a famous person has been paying a young person to do what has been alleged, assuming nothing illegal has taken place, who on here would be happy to continue to see them on our screens? I'm just interested. Just a hypothetical question.

It’s a good question. I suspect the truth is that there are many thousands of people, both in the public eye and others we know, who we would probably never expect, including children and grandchildren, on sites like Only Fans who are doing just that. There must be, it’s a British site with 210 million subscribers. There are other sites too.
It’s a terrifying thought.

...on sites like Only Fans who are doing just that. There must be, it’s a British site with 210 million subscribers.

We are in the 'age' of the influencer... for good or bad. Influencers, who are paid for their content. It makes me uneasy that OF is hugely popular with sex workers.

I do recall that I was very impressionable in teen-adulthood. And I did silly things because I was completely lacking in any critical-thinking skills. Nothing illegal. But I can see how young adults under the age of 17 are persuaded to do things against their own wellbeing and welfare.

No, I wouldn't be happy to continue to watch anyone who had exploited the naivety of young people, even if such exploitation were perfectly legal.

I have a 15 year old grandson, dipping his toes into the adult world, full of enthusiasm about the future, and hate the thought of some 'influencer' or older adult manipulating his young mind.

Let this be a lesson, never, never trust these rags that pass themselves off as newspapers, but are in fact nothing more then mouthpieces for their owners agenda.

I can see massive litigation/libel action coming out of this.

So, will that affect the armchair detectives’ opinions?

Your investigations and presentation of evidence from various sources suggest you are a bit of an 'armchair detective' yourself though, wouldn't you say? .

DiamondLily

Well, the young lad involved, has said, through his lawyer, that the allegations are rubbish, and he's now talking about suing for lack of privacy.

God knows.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66159357

Once again, it has been inferred that it is a ‘young lad’, where it hasn’t been reported. I saw someone on Lorraine Kelly talking about a young girl, and LK had to correct her, and earlier in this thread someone mentioned that Al-Jazeera was talking about a girl, as was someone on GB news. So, will that affect the armchair detectives’ opinions?
And now, the young person is saying the story is ‘rubbish’. So, if the police find there is insufficient evidence and take no action, how many of the presenters who have been tried and found guilty by people who don’t read things properly ( or at all) will find their reputations tarnished by the ‘ I knew there was something fishy about him’ brigade?

merlotgran

Does the latest news mean the mother made it all up?

Not necessarily. It could easily mean that the son didn't want her to put a stop to it.

The Sun will not have published anything that was not substantiated. All they said was that a complaint had been made to the BBC and had not been followed up. They did not even hint at the identity of the presenter.

Also, as I said upthread, the story broke on the day of the Osbourne wedding, and the email sent to the guests has had very little coverage.

Scotland Yard say they're not looking into this.

Young person involved is now saying nothing happened and The Sun is printing rubbish