BBC presenter allegations.

When I used the word ‘case’ I didn’t mean it in any criminal sense.
Ok, if you prefer ‘news item’.
Were the youths involved girls or boys or has that information been disclosed?

Where have I insulted anyone not sharing my view (whatever you mean by that) here Daisy?

DiamondLilly
the police would have pursued it that would be the Met Police who only hours before Wayne Couzens murdered Sarah Everard looked at CCTV footage of Couzens exposing himself to staff and dismissed it. I think not.

The alleged "victim" must have been over 18. If younger, it would be illegal, and the police would have pursued it.

Behaviour online between adults can be poor, by some standards, but it's not illegal.

He may not have committed a criminal offence, but paying a 17 year old 1000’s for sexually explicit photos ( when you’re a married man with 5 children ) is pretty disgusting behaviour.
Some on here doubt he’s done anything wrong at all & it’s all lies - maybe?
No doubt he will tell hi side of the story when he’s ready.
But not coming out immediately & denying it is a bit odd.

JenniferEccles

I have a question.
Is it yet known for sure if the young people in this case are male or female?

I just wouldn't go there JenniferEccles. There is no "case". The police have not found anything illegal.

However, I am sure that will not stop the make believe. Enjoy.

Germanshepherdsmum

Thank you Galaxy and Dickens. There are many things on which posters agree and disagree with one another, but it should be possible to do so without nastiness and personal insults. As you and the vast majority of others prove.

So does that mean you are going to stop insulting those who don't share your view - which has so far been found by those with the actual powers to do so, to be unsubstantiated?

I dont think we need help from Murdoch to argue Maybee, we can manage that independently

Clever old Murdoch. Not only has he destroyed a few lives, Edwards and the young person whose mother broke the story. But he’s also managed to get everyone on the forum arguing with each other. There are no winners in this except sales of his ‘newspaper’ ( hard to even describe it as that).

I have a question.
Is it yet known for sure if the young people in this case are male or female?

Another word of support for gsm from me. Politically we are usually poles apart, we disagree and respect each other even when the disagreement is strong.

There have been some unwarranted personal attacks during the discussions about this sad situation. Jaffacake was both scared and distressed when she was told she might get sued for one of her perfectly reasonable posts. There was no chance of Jaffa being sued

Germanshepherdsmum

Thank you Galaxy and Dickens. There are many things on which posters agree and disagree with one another, but it should be possible to do so without nastiness and personal insults. As you and the vast majority of others prove.

There are matters, about which people have strong feelings one way or another. One person's emotional investment in a subject does not invalidate another's which might be in opposition. Our own personal experiences will often drive our feelings about an issue which, I think, is perfectly understandable. If I have strong 'sensitivities' about something, that doesn't necessarily make me 'right' and them 'wrong' for not sharing the same sentiments.

Then there are facts and some posters are very knowledgeable about them in a particular area - you, for example, in areas relating to Law. Comment is Free, but Facts are Sacred (CP Scott, Manchester Guardian Editor, 1921). Sometimes, facts are what matter more than opinions... as Joe Friday (Dragnet 1951) said, all we want are the facts, ma'am. And I've just dated myself by remembering that TV show!

There's also the matter of each poster's posting 'style'. And that causes problems because there are those who take umbrage at the way people express themselves (I've been guilty of that). But it can't be helped, it's the nature of social media. That's why there are rules and guidelines about being respectful, etc, etc. We will never be able to corral people into one single way of voicing an opinion. Sometimes I'm offended by a post that doesn't bother anyone else - and the opposite is also true.

All in all, I think GN is a pretty 'good' social media site, I've seen very few deliberately hateful or aggressively nasty comments - certainly in comparison to other sites where there are some humdingers of comments that are, remarkably, often allowed to remain when they are quite clearly in breach of the 'guidelines'!

Germanshepherdsmum

Just a couple of people turning on the rest Gramaretto.

“The rest”?? If by that you mean the self appointed judges posting their concocted versions of events, you’ll find there’s more than a couple of people disagreeing with them. It is allowed you know.

Thank you Galaxy and Dickens. There are many things on which posters agree and disagree with one another, but it should be possible to do so without nastiness and personal insults. As you and the vast majority of others prove.

Galaxy

Er that sounds very unlike GSM, we have had strong disagreements on a number of subjects and she has never in my experience tried to shut me down. And never even when we fought quite vigorously has she made me feel like I needed to leave the thread.

I'd second that.

GSM and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum also but I've never felt chivvied, nor the necessity to duck out of the thread.

And, there are points on which we agree.

vegansrock

Man meets a younger man on a dating app. They don’t meet. Nothing illegal happens. We are obsessed with this, I know Huw E was a national icon, a talented broadcaster and all that - but is it worthy of such huge coverage and speculation? What about - Johnson’s phone; mortgage costs; NHS; strikes by doctors, teachers & railworkers; inflation; govt’s Illegal Immigration Bill; sewage in all our rivers & along the beaches; missing millions for useless PPE; MPs ditching their constituencies while drawing full pay & expenses, the climate crisis…….

We can chat about what we like.
I didn't know that chatting was restricted to certain subjects.

We can even chat about knitting when the country is in turmoil if we wish.

It's a Chat Forum.

I shall be delighted not to have you leaping on my posts NanaDana. It will be a pleasure. I will however continue to comment on yours as I see fit, within guidelines.

No policing or attempting to shut down discussion on my part Daisy. That’s your province.

Mollygo

DaisyAnneReturns
Which behaviour? People keep being suggestive about "this behaviour" in this way but nobody seems to be prepared to reference what "behaviour".

The behaviour that started this thread. If you don’t know what that is, I don’t understand why you are commenting on this thread at all.

Thank you Mollygo!
I should have said, of course, 'alleged behaviour' 🙂

The alleged behaviour, which was stated not to be illegal, is certainly not ethical, especially as more allegations of inappropriate behaviour come to light.

People, of course, may have varying standards of what is appropriate behaviour.

Er that sounds very unlike GSM, we have had strong disagreements on a number of subjects and she has never in my experience tried to shut me down. And never even when we fought quite vigorously has she made me feel like I needed to leave the thread.

Good post Dickens.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not too hot for me either. Just exceedingly bored with the self-appointed thread police who I see are also operating on another similar thread. And the tumbrel has been trotted out again so the tricoteuses will be along any minute now.

GSM. You'll be pleased to hear that this is the last time that I will be communicating with you. Your attitudes which have been displayed not only on the threads related to the BBC presenter, but also on the thread related to the treatment of asylum-seeking children, make it very clear that we inhabit very different worlds. In order to avoid any further unpleasantness, please feel free to ignore any of my future, posts as I will most certainly be returning the favour.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not too hot for me either. Just exceedingly bored with the self-appointed thread police who I see are also operating on another similar thread. And the tumbrel has been trotted out again so the tricoteuses will be along any minute now.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's

Your own "policing", if that is the new word for discussion, seems intent on shutting down those who don't share your point of view or making them leave the threads.

That cannot be reasonable.

vegansrock

Man meets a younger man on a dating app. They don’t meet. Nothing illegal happens. We are obsessed with this, I know Huw E was a national icon, a talented broadcaster and all that - but is it worthy of such huge coverage and speculation? What about - Johnson’s phone; mortgage costs; NHS; strikes by doctors, teachers & railworkers; inflation; govt’s Illegal Immigration Bill; sewage in all our rivers & along the beaches; missing millions for useless PPE; MPs ditching their constituencies while drawing full pay & expenses, the climate crisis…….

It might appear like an obsession, when threads get longer, page numbers increase, and posters (me included) return to the thread to make further comments- but I'm sure in between posting comments on here GN members are doing other things and getting on with their daily lives (and posting on other threads about subject matters that have nothing to do with this one).

If I were to agree about an 'obsession' - I'd lay it at the door of The Sun and Murdoch's News Group. Which has - once again - failed to follow basic standards of journalism in its vendetta against the BBC. Murdoch has spoken publicly about his anger at the BBC's domination of the broadcasting market and has, allegedly, ranted in private about the fact the British public are forced to fund the broadcaster.

The damage, hurt and misery caused to the individuals involved in this 'story' are by-products of Murdoch's political campaign against the BBC. He, the paper and the News Group, do not appear to care one jot about them. And he and his paper have form... there is a good reason why The Sun is boycotted in Liverpool.

The hypocrisy of this paper which daily features photo's of near-naked women - celebrities, sports stars, influencers, etc (all perfectly 'legal') adopting a moralising tone in its reporting of this matter which, it seems, does not warrant any further investigation by the police, is so stunning that I'm surprised more people aren't knocked-out by it.

Just a couple of people turning on the rest Gramaretto.

I hadn't realised I had stumbled into a cookery programme cauldron
Why is everyone turning on eachother?