BBC presenter allegations.

DaisyAnneReturns

MayBee70

I was going to say that one day something like this will result in suicide and then I remembered what happened to Caroline Flack.

Indeed MayBee.

I wonder what explanation, those who trivialise depression would give, for doctors still feeling the need to use ECT in an attempt to save people's lives, when they have deep seated depression.

I also wonder why, having disbelieved those being open about their depression, they are surprised when people mask it at work and for years.

Do you mean the suicide of the young person(s) involved?

How would you feel if this was a young member of your family?

I feel sorry for all concerned, especially Huw Edwards's wife and family.
She is the only one so far to remain dignified.

MayBee70

I was going to say that one day something like this will result in suicide and then I remembered what happened to Caroline Flack.

This is the worry, MayBee. The constant dead weight for someone in the public eye waking up every morning feeling that the whole world is gossiping about and condemning them just proves too much for some people. Even those with robust mental health.

No one is trivialising depression. As mentioned, I have it. I have masked it all my life. My brother didn't survive it and had ECT during his treatment, which didnt work. I do not dispute that Huw has depression. However, I question whether it has caused him to (allegedly) behave in the way suggested.

Foxygloves

DaisyAnneReturns

Doodledog, I don't know who you quoted, you didn't say, but a phrase in common use is "innocent until proven guilty". There has been next to no presumption of innocence on here, just some perverted delight in the suggestion of guilt based on no real evidence.

Well no DaisyAnne - largely because he, through his wife’s statement, has indicated culpability.
Admitted it in other words.

How? Please explain which bit of her statement did indicated/admitted culpability?

Germanshepherdsmum

No wriggling here Daisy. You’re hearing things. I wish you a good night.

And you, once an officer of the law, still offer no evidence.

MayBee70

I was going to say that one day something like this will result in suicide and then I remembered what happened to Caroline Flack.

Indeed MayBee.

I wonder what explanation, those who trivialise depression would give, for doctors still feeling the need to use ECT in an attempt to save people's lives, when they have deep seated depression.

I also wonder why, having disbelieved those being open about their depression, they are surprised when people mask it at work and for years.

DaisyAnneReturns

Doodledog, I don't know who you quoted, you didn't say, but a phrase in common use is "innocent until proven guilty". There has been next to no presumption of innocence on here, just some perverted delight in the suggestion of guilt based on no real evidence.

Well no DaisyAnne - largely because he, through his wife’s statement, has indicated culpability.
Admitted it in other words.

Yes - good post GSM

Germanshepherdsmum

You do love talking of the tumbrel and the tricoteuses don’t you NanaDana?

Some of us are trying to come to terms with the reality behind the man who appeared on our screens to deliver the news each evening and commentated on important State events such as the late Queen’s death and funeral with such gravitas. He was a trusted figure. It has almost been a betrayal of trust. Had he not been outed he would be carrying on as usual. Now he has scurried off to hospital with a breakdown caused by the truth having been found out. Despicable.

Well said. GSM

Casdon

I may be wrong, but reading between the lines of his wife’s statement I think his mental health state amounts to more than a breakdown caused by the truth having been found out. This isn’t a Philip Schofield situation.

Huw Edwards did this interview with Alastair Campbell in 2022:

www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-strength/a40087692/huw-edwards-depression-mental-health/

He discusses depression, which he has suffered from for 20 years.

An assumption that those making complaints are lying is a different kind of perverted delight. That includes his own colleagues now.

No wriggling here Daisy. You’re hearing things. I wish you a good night.

Doodledog, I don't know who you quoted, you didn't say, but a phrase in common use is "innocent until proven guilty". There has been next to no presumption of innocence on here, just some perverted delight in the suggestion of guilt based on no real evidence.

I was going to say that one day something like this will result in suicide and then I remembered what happened to Caroline Flack.

DaisyAnneReturns

Germanshepherdsmum

You do love talking of the tumbrel and the tricoteuses don’t you NanaDana?

Some of us are trying to come to terms with the reality behind the man who appeared on our screens to deliver the news each evening and commentated on important State events such as the late Queen’s death and funeral with such gravitas. He was a trusted figure. It has almost been a betrayal of trust. Had he not been outed he would be carrying on as usual. Now he has scurried off to hospital with a breakdown caused by the truth having been found out. Despicable.

GSM I am shocked. Where has there been any actual evidence he has done anything wrong?

I can hear you wriggle GSM. I'll ask that simple question again.
You have alleged he has done something to betray our trust. What exactly is your evidence for this? There may be some. I am just asking what it is.

Casdon i agree,

Germanshepherdsmum

Snap Kate. So all of this is a complete fiction then? I don’t think so. If he hadn’t been engaging in this behaviour he would have denied it.

Agreed, GSM, Kate and Kandinsky (and anyone I've missed or who has posted since I started typing ).

'Not enough evidence to prosecute' is not the same as 'we know he didn't do it'.

If he is not well enough to deny it himself, his lawyers could do it for him. If The Sun is taken to court they will have to explain more than they are doing now. I can't see that happening, but it would be very interesting.

As it is, of course nobody on here can give evidence that anything did or didn't happen - how could we? As I asked upthread, do you ask for the same burden of proof for all threads on N&P, Daisy? Or have you singled this one out for any reason? The normal process is that something happens, people talk about it, offer opinions that differ depending on their political viewpoints, them something else happens and we all move on. Nobody is asked for evidence, other than reports in the press, as we are not the police, and if we were we couldn't post evidence online. We have been chatting and giving our opinions, but have been called names and had our integrity questioned. Is this 'in the spirit of Gransnet?' I doubt it.

The only thing I am saying (not attributing) is that you, and others, seem totally unable to say "I do not know. There are no facts".
Does that include the 'fact' that the Edwards family need 'space' away from this thread? I am not trawling the whole tedious thread, but I am sure that people have said more than once that we don't know what happened. As an example - I pointed out the lack of even a pretence at facts in the original Sun article more than once. You are picking and choosing the things you want to respond to, and it comes across as you just wanting an argument for the sake of it.

The weird thinking is wholly yours Daisy.

The first young man had allegedly gone to The Sim newspaper before the story was printed, explaining the there has been noting unlawful or inappropriate happen.

Surely The Sun should have reconsidered.

Dickens

DaisyAnneReturns

Dicken's you say "I've only given a personal opinion in general terms about the abuse of power, but not about this particular case.", but look at the thread you are doing it on.

There is much to be said about this subject but posting about it where you can easily be misinterpreted helps no one in the fight against abuse of power. Whether you want them to or not people will associate your comments with the OP. Why wouldn't they. I think you are being very disingenuous.

I think you are being very disingenuous.

Do you?

I think you are quite determined to attribute motives and intentions to others based on your own assumptions about them. You don't know me, nor Doodledog, nor anyone else who is posting on this thread, yet you have taken it upon yourself to police our comments, throwing out derogatory observations as if we are all ill-informed gossips who need to be hectored and lectured about the fallibility of the news media.

Now you cannot pin on me the accusations you've made, you want to make me responsible for how other people might interpret my posts!

I think you are being quite absurd.

The only thing I am saying (not attributing) is that you, and others, seem totally unable to say "I do not know. There are no facts".

Germanshepherdsmum

Depends on your definition of ‘wrong’ doesn’t it?

It was your comment so must have been based on your definition of "wrong" when you wrote it. Your answers are beginning to feel a little coercive.

You accuse someone but that is based on my definition of "wrong". Weird thinking.

DaisyAnneReturns

Dicken's you say "I've only given a personal opinion in general terms about the abuse of power, but not about this particular case.", but look at the thread you are doing it on.

There is much to be said about this subject but posting about it where you can easily be misinterpreted helps no one in the fight against abuse of power. Whether you want them to or not people will associate your comments with the OP. Why wouldn't they. I think you are being very disingenuous.

I think you are being very disingenuous.

Do you?

I think you are quite determined to attribute motives and intentions to others based on your own assumptions about them. You don't know me, nor Doodledog, nor anyone else who is posting on this thread, yet you have taken it upon yourself to police our comments, throwing out derogatory observations as if we are all ill-informed gossips who need to be hectored and lectured about the fallibility of the news media.

Now you cannot pin on me the accusations you've made, you want to make me responsible for how other people might interpret my posts!

I think you are being quite absurd.

Well precisely.

Why hasn’t he denied it?

I may be wrong, but reading between the lines of his wife’s statement I think his mental health state amounts to more than a breakdown caused by the truth having been found out. This isn’t a Philip Schofield situation.

Snap Kate. So all of this is a complete fiction then? I don’t think so. If he hadn’t been engaging in this behaviour he would have denied it.