Johnson in contempt

MerylStreep

WhatsApp boast about their security but a good hacker can get into them.

Are you such a hacker MerylStreep?

The whole point of WhatsApp, for many, is its end to end encryption. Because it can only be read at either end WhatsApp cannot comply with legal requests to hand over messages. Because of this some countries have blocked it.

Some jobs require its use for their own and their companies security. I imagine MPs are advised to use it. Just as an example, you could have a job where it makes sense to have no online footprint and only use WhatsApp for any online contact.

WhatsApp boast about their security but a good hacker can get into them.

Yes, but the police can access emails and texts that have been deleted for years afterwards. I don't know whether WhatsApp messages are different.

Callistemon21

DaisyAnne You're right!
They can in the UK but not in some countries

Which country do you suggest Johnson flees to

Doodledog

Katie59

WhatsApp messages are encrypted the only way they can see them is to confiscate the phone, police and customs both have that power. Many law breakers get caught by what is recorded on smart phones.

That's what I thought, but what if you delete them from the phone? Can the police still read them remotely in that case?

If I send a group or singular WhatsApp message to the wrong group/person I can delete it and it automatically deletes on the phone/s I have sent it to.

Katie59

WhatsApp messages are encrypted the only way they can see them is to confiscate the phone, police and customs both have that power. Many law breakers get caught by what is recorded on smart phones.

That's what I thought, but what if you delete them from the phone? Can the police still read them remotely in that case?

I don’t understand it but it is what is called double encrypted - whatever that means.

Katie59

WhatsApp messages are encrypted the only way they can see them is to confiscate the phone, police and customs both have that power. Many law breakers get caught by what is recorded on smart phones.

Showing my ignorance, if his phone can’t be found but he sent WhatsApp messages to say, other members of the cabinet, will the messages he sent them be on their phones?

WhatsApp messages are encrypted the only way they can see them is to confiscate the phone, police and customs both have that power. Many law breakers get caught by what is recorded on smart phones.

Oreo- how was I "bloody rude" in asking ( lightheartedly) if nanna8 was our former PM under a nom de plume?

I don't think that they can read WhatApp messages, as they are encrypted. But in that case, what is stopping someone just deleting them?

But yes, the BBC case does seem to be a distraction from this and the Osbourne email. I was accused of posting bizarre conspiracy theories for saying so on the BBC thread though.

Why wouldn’t you hand over your phone Nanna8 if asked by the authorities? Why would you have to accidentally drop it ?

If I was asked for mine I wouldn’t give it a second thought as
I ve nothing to hide
Surely they can read all that’s in it anyway

Why are we even discussing this, when there is a much, much more punted anti-BBC story dominating our unbiased newspapers just now?
Actually, thanks for this.
Watching the news reports just now, we both said, what are the actual stories that should be on just now? Obvs, this is one of them.

DaisyAnne You're right!
They can in the UK but not in some countries

Casdon

That was over 100 threads on the News and Politics section ago MaizeD, so it’s hardly surprising people forget. There’s so much news and politics to grab the headlines on a daily basis at the moment.

and it's Mooved anyway, never to be seen again.

Just like the phone.

Thanks DaisyAnne. I guess it would suddenly disappear or be dropped from a great height accidentally in that case !

Callistemon21

nanna8

Why do they want his phone ? Just curious. I wouldn’t want to hand mine over,either. Is it a police state there now then ?

The person has to be under arrest or the police must obtain a warrant before they can legally seize someone's mobile phone.

I think the phone has faked its own death and is living in sin beneath the North Sea with Rebekah Vardy’s agent’s phone. Can we drain the North Sea?
Marina Hyde
The Guardian

The person has to be under arrest or the police must obtain a warrant before they can legally seize someone's mobile phone.

I don't believe this to be true.

The police can seize a phone if they believe it contains evidence that is relevant to an investigation – this might be text messages, call logs, or photos. The phone can also be confiscated if the police believe it was used to commit a crime, or if it is necessary to prevent the destruction of evidence.

nanna8

Why do they want his phone ? Just curious. I wouldn’t want to hand mine over,either. Is it a police state there now then ?

So had a court told you you must hand over a work phone to those you worked for, you would refuse?

Presumably the phone may contain information relevant to the Inquiry. Lady Hallett must be given access to it. I hope no-one has accidentally dropped it in the Thames.

I didn’t read the rude comment and I’m glad. Can’t imagine why someone would find my comment offensive but still takes all sorts.

I didn’t know they could actually take a person’s phone off them . Anyway, wouldn’t he just destroy it if that was the case? I’ve never heard of that except when you actually go into jail and they take the possessions you have on you.

Casdon

That was over 100 threads on the News and Politics section ago MaizeD, so it’s hardly surprising people forget. There’s so much news and politics to grab the headlines on a daily basis at the moment.

But surely one could retain enough to know that there was something dodgy about Johnson's phone and that there was a ? over whether it would be released?

And I have a shocking memory...

That was over 100 threads on the News and Politics section ago MaizeD, so it’s hardly surprising people forget. There’s so much news and politics to grab the headlines on a daily basis at the moment.

It's barely a month since the issue of Johnson's old phone was discussed in this thread.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1324611-Has-the-Cabinet-Office-complied-with-Heather-Hallett-s-request?pg=3

I'm surprised that regular posters on this forum, whatever country they may be living in, have forgotten already...