Excellent article on economic migrants from genuine refugee

Grantanow

Why didn't Furedi's parents and their kids stay in Austria - a safe country? If they arrived on UK shores today they would have been assessed for Rwanda as having travelled through safe countries. Of course, they're white which might have affected the result. Where are the safe and legal routes for refugees? The article fails to explore that.

Safe routes, explanation easily found on the Gov Web site.

Primrose I have read the whole thread and cannot find anyone who is desperate to fill our country with migrants who we know nothing about.

I don't know how you can possibly have found a handful of people thinking like this.

The thing is on here there is a handful of people who are desperate to fill our country with migrants who we know nothing about. They try to infer that anybody who disagrees with them is racist.

Post a sensible comment about people from other countries who have settled here legally and who are also against the economic migrants coming here and they just ignore it because it doesn’t suit their agenda. See above.

Songstress60 You sound so certain. Can you give us some links to the evidence that shows this is so.

I would ask the same of BevSec and Beautyandthebeast

Anyone can make assertions. I can say that all new posters on GN are trolls. But for anyone to accept that they will want the evidence - and it just isn't there.

Exactly!!

I so agree with you. Well said

If it's families they are genuine refugees but if it's men they are criminals and they haven't been vetted by this country. That's not racism but common sense.

I do.

Delila

Very early one spring morning this year, in a quintessential English village cricket pitch not far from the coast, I met a man, probably 30ish, of Middle Eastern appearance, preparing to set off on his bike.

His bike was festooned with polythene-wrapped packages tied with string. We smiled at each other and wished each other good day, and went our separate ways. I thought that bench on the cricket pavilion porch would have made a cosy bed for the night.

I hope things went well for him.

You could say the same for the many of our own veterans who sleep on our streets.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

All I can say is that you lot are easily impressed.

My thoughts exactly. Not enough critical thought.

So, could you tell us what you feel is wrong with his explanation? (if you would)

Anniel

This was intended to be a serious topic of discussion, but the amount of pomposity shown by WW2 and her mates has me laughing. If I was an immigrant who was professionally qualified and had to enter UK via a small boat, I would have the required skill to have uploaded my particulars when i reached France or would be sufficiently lucid enough to show enough English to impress the UK authorities. If I could afford thousands to give to smugglers I would have the wherewithal to convince and have some form of documentation somewhere to prove my qualifications. It seems to me that those romantics who think we should believe the young men arriving in UK that they could solve the professional labour shortage prove that their analysis is lacking.

The average person on the streets would like to see our own homeless rehoused and those of them with mental illness treated. reading this thread, surely the Scots have the room to take a lot of refugees and economic migrants? Immigration is a hot topic on the political agenda of voters. I hate to tell you that most people who are on Council waiting lists are not in favour of uncontrolled immigration. Could all the labour enthusiasts tell us Sir Keirs policy on illegal immigration and his answer to the small boat crisis please?
Thank you for an entertaining few minutes!!

Some good points. What a lot of people don’t understand is that people who come here legally from other countries are also very against people coming here illegally. I watched people being interviewed on the streets of Leicester, which as we all know is one of the most multicultural cities in the UK. There were Indians, Ugandan Asians, Poles, West Indians etc and every one of them said they were against people coming here illegally.

My best friend is from Tanzania and she had to go through all the correct procedures to settle here with her British husband. She complains like anything about the boat people and said it is so unfair that they can come over one day and be given accommodation, food, money etc the next.

M0nica

Why this contempt for economic migrants? All but very few come from desperately poor countries, where all that awaits them is unemployment and starvation.

Those prepared to take the risk of that difficult journey, often with two hazardous sea crossings, Mediterranean and Channel, are probably those with the highest courage resilience and determination in their countries and will be an asset to whichever country they end up in.

No, I am not arguing for open borders, and unchecked immigration. I am saying that we should respect all those who come over here, criminal element excepted. Ask yourselves whether you would have the courage to make the long uncertain journey they make, if it was the only way you could see to support your family and move them out of grinding poverty.

Are they any less admirable than all those Irish immigrants who fled Ireland in the 19th and 20th century for just the same reasons? I am descended from just such immigrants.

Ditto. Comments here about it always being men on these boats - as it ever was!

Passengers on board the Mayflower during its trans-Atlantic voyage of September 6 – November 9, 1620, the majority of them becoming the settlers of Plymouth Colony in Massachusetts. The Mayflower launched with 102 passengers, 74 male and 28 female, and a crew headed by Master Christopher Jones.

Seen the Kenneth Branagh film Belfast? The Dad travels to England to work, sending money home to his family. Read the books of Frank McCourt, Angela's Ashes? - In 1941 his father left for England, supposedly to work in a wartime munitions factory, but the family never received the money he had promised to send, family left destitute.

I suspect that my MP was selected from the potted plants section of Conservative candidates....

Awful article.
His first line -
I have nothing but contempt for the buffoons in the House of Lords

And then goes on to call them blowhards, describing them and their actions as - self-satisfied hypocrites oozing sanctimony / narcissistic, unelected, unaccountable .. political corruption of democracy / self-regarding virtue-signalling / distasteful /

and this lovely bit of nonsense - haughty moralistic tone adopted by the Lords is so immoral. Like he hasn't seen those horrors of the Conservative Party looking down their noses at the general public (1. See note at end).

This important sentence lost amongst the rubbish - The Lords rejected the Government's attempt to extend the amount of time children can be detained

The piece says there have been 12,500 people in small boats "this year" and cites the case of a 41 year old man trying to pass himself off as a teenage refuge. Of the 12,500 he can take time in this article to pick up on one man trying to do this .. and on this basis any and all children should be held in detention centres for longer?

^1. Article dated 5 October 2006 One of the leading members of the David Cameron generation of new Tories created a storm yesterday by comparing people who were not privately educated and did not go to Oxford or Cambridge universities to "potted plants".
Mr Rees-Mogg was asked for his reaction to a survey by the BBC programme Newsnight which showed that 28 per cent of those on the A-list of people that Mr Cameron wants as future Tory MPs are from Oxford or Cambridge, and a majority - 52 per cent - were privately educated. Mr Rees-Mogg, the Eton and Oxford-educated son of the Tory peer and former editor of The Times, William Rees-Mogg, said: "Oxford and Cambridge are world-renowned universities that get the crème of British academic life. It would be absolutely perverse to be biased against some of the cleverest people in the country.
"We don't want to make it harder for intellectually able people to be Tory party candidates. The Tory party, when it's elected, has to be able to form a government and it's not going to be able to form a government if it has potted plants as candidates simply to make up quotas."
He added: "When you go to an MP, you want somebody who will write an articulate letter to the social services or whoever it is to get your problem sorted out."
Mr Rees-Mogg also warned against having too high a proportion of ethnic minority candidates in place. "Ninety-five per cent of this country is white. The list can't be totally different from the country at large," he said.^

Again, that article is rubbish

Luckygirl3 - well said. The Mail piece has a whiff of ‘shutting the stable door’.

Primrose53

Nicenanny3

Just read the article in The Daily Mail found it very interesting thanks for posting Primrose

I agree with all he says re the unelected House of Lords trying to wreck The Illegal Migration Bill.

70 years ago the world was a different place, the UK has a long tradition of welcoming genuine refugees and helping countries in need but enough is enough we can't house or care for our own people.

Crazy isn’t it? Why don’t they say we are taking no more people (unless they are people we really need for work purposes) until we have sorted our own problems and then we will have a rethink. It’s not unkind, racist, lacking compassion or anything else, it’s commonsense.

Not a word on here about all the people (approx 100) who lost their jobs in a hotel in Wales because it is to be used for migrants. Jobs are in short enough supply in that area at the best of times. It seems there is no sympathy for them.

I agree.

This was intended to be a serious topic of discussion, but the amount of pomposity shown by WW2 and her mates has me laughing. If I was an immigrant who was professionally qualified and had to enter UK via a small boat, I would have the required skill to have uploaded my particulars when i reached France or would be sufficiently lucid enough to show enough English to impress the UK authorities. If I could afford thousands to give to smugglers I would have the wherewithal to convince and have some form of documentation somewhere to prove my qualifications. It seems to me that those romantics who think we should believe the young men arriving in UK that they could solve the professional labour shortage prove that their analysis is lacking.

The average person on the streets would like to see our own homeless rehoused and those of them with mental illness treated. reading this thread, surely the Scots have the room to take a lot of refugees and economic migrants? Immigration is a hot topic on the political agenda of voters. I hate to tell you that most people who are on Council waiting lists are not in favour of uncontrolled immigration. Could all the labour enthusiasts tell us Sir Keirs policy on illegal immigration and his answer to the small boat crisis please?
Thank you for an entertaining few minutes!!

Everyone who wants to welcome these young fighting age men I’m guessing if you got a spare room you will be housing them in your spare rooms 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Very early one spring morning this year, in a quintessential English village cricket pitch not far from the coast, I met a man, probably 30ish, of Middle Eastern appearance, preparing to set off on his bike.

His bike was festooned with polythene-wrapped packages tied with string. We smiled at each other and wished each other good day, and went our separate ways. I thought that bench on the cricket pavilion porch would have made a cosy bed for the night.

I hope things went well for him.

Primrose53

Nicenanny3

Just read the article in The Daily Mail found it very interesting thanks for posting Primrose

I agree with all he says re the unelected House of Lords trying to wreck The Illegal Migration Bill.

70 years ago the world was a different place, the UK has a long tradition of welcoming genuine refugees and helping countries in need but enough is enough we can't house or care for our own people.

Crazy isn’t it? Why don’t they say we are taking no more people (unless they are people we really need for work purposes) until we have sorted our own problems and then we will have a rethink. It’s not unkind, racist, lacking compassion or anything else, it’s commonsense.

Not a word on here about all the people (approx 100) who lost their jobs in a hotel in Wales because it is to be used for migrants. Jobs are in short enough supply in that area at the best of times. It seems there is no sympathy for them.

No of course there isn't.

Also there is a shortage of housing, rental accommodation in particular no one even mentions that do they in parliament especially the Labour Party and it's obvious we have had a population explosion and we can't cope. My son has rental properties in Manchester (Stockport) and actually he has benefitted from the influx of Hongkongers (who came here legitimately) rental properties are in short supply and the rents have gone up and the Hongkongers paid 1 year in advance obviously they have money.

The Illegal Migration Bill is a deterrent and we surely need something to stop these illegals arriving on our shores. The Labour Party, Justin Welby and the unelected House of Lords don’t have any other solutions or policies do they, I'm sick of these out of touch do gooders.

Nicenanny3

Just read the article in The Daily Mail found it very interesting thanks for posting Primrose

I agree with all he says re the unelected House of Lords trying to wreck The Illegal Migration Bill.

70 years ago the world was a different place, the UK has a long tradition of welcoming genuine refugees and helping countries in need but enough is enough we can't house or care for our own people.

Crazy isn’t it? Why don’t they say we are taking no more people (unless they are people we really need for work purposes) until we have sorted our own problems and then we will have a rethink. It’s not unkind, racist, lacking compassion or anything else, it’s commonsense.

Not a word on here about all the people (approx 100) who lost their jobs in a hotel in Wales because it is to be used for migrants. Jobs are in short enough supply in that area at the best of times. It seems there is no sympathy for them.

Just read the article in The Daily Mail found it very interesting thanks for posting Primrose

I agree with all he says re the unelected House of Lords trying to wreck The Illegal Migration Bill.

70 years ago the world was a different place, the UK has a long tradition of welcoming genuine refugees and helping countries in need but enough is enough we can't house or care for our own people.

BlueBelle

Excellent post Monica
mayisay no I m not the shortsighted one I ve done work with refugees and know the value.
No humanity at all notspagetti just shortsighted racism fed by the government The old divide and rule theory not moved on from the Nazi regime at all I m afraid We haven’t moved on an iota I grew up with notices in the windows of houses to let ‘No Irish no black no dogs’ and the same type of people are still around
And to the poster who said there’s no women or children on the boats how wrong are you I believe 100 children died in the hold of the boat that went down in Greek waters !!

At least threads like this show you the names of folks you would never want to be near

That was a ship not a rubber dinghy and had come from Libya. A tragedy yes if any children were drowned but I can’t see that it was ever confirmed. I read “may have been”.

You watch footage on the news of dinghies arriving and you will hardly see a woman or a child. very rare.

The article in the DM was inflammatory, designed to encourage hostility rather than compassion. Migration from one place to another is what has driven humanity and made us who we are. This is not something that we can make "go away" by draconian measures or by encouraging hatred. If you were born in a stable country with a developed economy, you got very lucky.
We now spend a third of our overseas development money which was cut (in 2021, I think) in the UK supporting migrants. Surely, if we want to reduce the numbers of people desperate for better lives, it would be better to help them in their own countries rather than in the UK? People don't leave their families, walk across deserts, live in camps, get in unsafe boats etc because they are going on holiday. They do it because they and their families are starving or in fear of their lives. I would do it too if I had to but fortunately I got the gold star when I was born!
My GGD worked in the mines all of his life at 72 he and his 10 year old GS walked to Manchester to dig the Manchester ship canal because there was no work available where he lived. They would have been seen as filthy itinerants, sleeping under hedges and relying on the kindness of strangers. He would have been illiterate, uncouth with only his labour of worth to anyone. He survived, he sent money home and I am here. Most people, if they dig a bit will find similar stories in their history. Wherever we are born, whatever the colour of our skin, we are all people with the same basic needs.
Our immigration and asylum system has been under funded so people who could be working and contributing to our economy can't because they are still waiting for documents and those who would be sent home are being held in hotels and hostels. It's easy to focus on the wrong issues, particularly if there are articles published which encourage us to do that. Other countries are processing many more people than we do and doing it efficiently, why aren't we?