The Refugee Ship

I have to admit it looks better than I expected and I didn’t expect gymnasiums . It looks like a Princess cruise line, albeit the economy class. I have to say, if it is anything like here, a lot of homeless people wouldn’t go in a hostel place because of the other people there who are sometimes violent and/ or drug affected - they feel safer in doorways rather than in the ‘shelters’ where things get stolen and people beat them up. Completely different issues from the refugees. At least I hope so.

Casdon

It’s absolutely grim. I’m surprised to discover that some of you live in substandard accommodation yourselves if you think this is luxurious. Just look at the pictures.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66270811

My husband spent years living in such accommodation when he worked offshore on oil platforms. Not only that, they also had to ‘hotbed’ at times such as during shutdowns.

Those photos also look a darn sight better than some student accommodation my offspring have lived in at times, for which we had to pay endless £££.

Iam64

Primrose, you compared the asylum seekers with our homeless veterans sleeping in doorways.
Research shoes only 0.7% of households who were homeless or at risk of homelessness in 2021 and 2022 had support needs as a result of having served in the armed forces (16.03.23)

We have a growing homeless population. Rightly, our veterans get support

Not always! We had a soldier who carried Princess Diana’s coffin and worked for the Royals who was found dead in a street in Norfolk and having slipped through the net and being homeless.

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

I'm truly shocked GrannyGravy
They should be ashamed!

Daily inspections need to be reinstated.

Accommodation is checked on takeover and leaving
In the forces it’s called marching in and marching out

Other than that it’s only if there is a problem that housing or welfare would see what is a military personnel’s accommodation.

Oh, I do remember! But that was married quarters.

Callistemon21

I'm truly shocked GrannyGravy
They should be ashamed!

Daily inspections need to be reinstated.

Accommodation is checked on takeover and leaving
In the forces it’s called marching in and marching out

Other than that it’s only if there is a problem that housing or welfare would see what is a military personnel’s accommodation.

baff.org.uk/shocking-state-of-wellington-barracks-story-questioned

However...

The barracks are indeed old, with for example toilet and shower provision inadequate for modern SLA standards, and the hot water is said to have been off for several weeks in January and February. Parts of the story have, however, been questioned by us and on social media. This was reposted at the 'Army Rumour Service':
See link.

No hot water in winter is unacceptable and the barracks need upgrading but the photos are not a true reflection of what it is really like.

Primrose, you compared the asylum seekers with our homeless veterans sleeping in doorways.
Research shoes only 0.7% of households who were homeless or at risk of homelessness in 2021 and 2022 had support needs as a result of having served in the armed forces (16.03.23)

We have a growing homeless population. Rightly, our veterans get support

I'm truly shocked GrannyGravy
They should be ashamed!

Daily inspections need to be reinstated.

Callistemon21

Primrose53

Casdon …… here you go! This is the King’s Guard Wellington Barracks.

the illegal immigrants really would have something to complain about if they were put in army barracks!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11923645/Shocking-state-British-Armys-filthy-Wellington-Barracks-revealed.html

Well, I cannot believe that military personnel live in conditions like that.
In fact I do not believe it, they should be ashamed of themselves.
What happened to barrack inspections by eagle-eyed sergeants? Not a thing out of place, beds made to perfection?

Nothing wrong with the accommodation, just the filthy folks living there who need to clear up there own mess.

MerylStreep

Callistemon21

Coronation

What do other countries do with the migrants and refugees?

Good question

From experience I only know about Spain where they work them to near death and house them in shacks where you wouldn’t keep a dog.
All so that Europe can have all that lovely out of season fruit and veg.

Oh yes, I saw that programme too.
Shocking. They slept in the greenhouses.

Primrose53

Casdon …… here you go! This is the King’s Guard Wellington Barracks.

the illegal immigrants really would have something to complain about if they were put in army barracks!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11923645/Shocking-state-British-Armys-filthy-Wellington-Barracks-revealed.html

Well, I cannot believe that military personnel live in conditions like that.
In fact I do not believe it, they should be ashamed of themselves.
What happened to barrack inspections by eagle-eyed sergeants? Not a thing out of place, beds made to perfection?

Callistemon21

Coronation

What do other countries do with the migrants and refugees?

Good question

From experience I only know about Spain where they work them to near death and house them in shacks where you wouldn’t keep a dog.
All so that Europe can have all that lovely out of season fruit and veg.

I really fail to see what is wrong with the accommodation, sorry Casdon.

Many people would be glad of it.

Casdon

It’s absolutely grim. I’m surprised to discover that some of you live in substandard accommodation yourselves if you think this is luxurious. Just look at the pictures.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66270811

It looks clean, basic and ft for purpose for single men.. Better than some of the sipubstandard accommodation many people in this countries have to endure.

Rather like a Youth Hostel, which I used in my younger days and in fact, we have stayed in as a family too.

Coronation

What do other countries do with the migrants and refugees?

Good question

My head is not buried in the sand Casdon. Why do you think it is?

And yes GG, wretched people who don’t have to come here.

Germanshepherdsmum

And you can’t just build one apartment, you have to build a block - plus the infrastructure ….

There is a lot of home building going on in this country, mostly private but including social housing as that is required by law.
However, the infrastructure to support it is not evident.

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed Henetha. Is nothing short of five star accommodation acceptable for these wretched people? I truly cannot believe the luxury accommodation - and facilities - yet posters say it’s not good enough. What planet are you on, when people born and bred here, who have paid their taxes here, can’t hope for such accommodation and rely on food banks? It’s beyond belief,

wretched people

I have no words…

Why are there so many asylum seekers waiting for decisions Germanshepherdsmum?
Why aren’t we using Eurodac?
Why is the economic crisis so bad in the UK compared with our peers?
Why aren’t there more council houses to alleviate the housing shortage?
Why are there so many foodbanks?
Your head is buried so far in the sand you may never find it again.
On that frustrated note I have to bow out for tonight, as I’m going to the pub, which is just as well as I need a very strong drink.

Close friends of ours have taken in young male refugees, all with horrendous stories of their experiences and journeys to the U.K. absolutely heartbreaking.

The majority of these youngsters were kind and keen to attend college, some went on to university.

There were a couple who stole from them, lied and absconded, there are good and bad people from all races and backgrounds.

Casdon …… here you go! This is the King’s Guard Wellington Barracks.

the illegal immigrants really would have something to complain about if they were put in army barracks!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11923645/Shocking-state-British-Armys-filthy-Wellington-Barracks-revealed.html

Indeed Henetha. Is nothing short of five star accommodation acceptable for these wretched people? I truly cannot believe the luxury accommodation - and facilities - yet posters say it’s not good enough. What planet are you on, when people born and bred here, who have paid their taxes here, can’t hope for such accommodation and rely on food banks? It’s beyond belief,

Shinamae

Casdon

Shinamae

Casdon

Nicenanny3

18:16Casdon

In fact I’m appalled at the lack of compassion and the utter selfishness of some posters on this thread, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

*Just out of interest where do you think they should be housed then, what facilities and comforts are they missing*

I’ve summarised what I think should happen already in this thread Nicenanny3.
In terms of accommodation specifically, I think housing people who are fleeing from war zones in bunk beds on a grim portakabin offshore is unacceptable, bearing in mind 70% of these men will ultimately be granted refugee status. If I were in charge I’d suggest they are boarded out one each with the Tory supporting most un compassionate Gransnetters actually to see if you feel the same about them when you hear the truth about what they have been through. Failing that, disused military facilities are probably the best option. Just to remind you, only 6% of asylum seekers have been processed since 2018, the Tory party has caused this backlog problem.

So how many are you going to take in Casdon?

The same as you Shinamae, obviously!

I am more than satisfied with the accommodation they’re being offered. You obviously are not so need to put your money where your mouth is…🤓

Why aren’t I surprised you said that? I would accommodate somebody, particularly if they were allowed to work because I think they would be pretty unhappy to live in the middle of nowhere with no local access to services otherwise. Working makes a huge difference to people, it’s ridiculous that they have to spend their days doing nothing.

What a holy, bloody awful mess

I couldn’t agree with you more Dickens

Primrose53

Casdon

Nicenanny3

18:16Casdon

In fact I’m appalled at the lack of compassion and the utter selfishness of some posters on this thread, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

*Just out of interest where do you think they should be housed then, what facilities and comforts are they missing*

I’ve summarised what I think should happen already in this thread Nicenanny3.
In terms of accommodation specifically, I think housing people who are fleeing from war zones in bunk beds on a grim portakabin offshore is unacceptable, bearing in mind 70% of these men will ultimately be granted refugee status. If I were in charge I’d suggest they are boarded out one each with the Tory supporting most un compassionate Gransnetters actually to see if you feel the same about them when you hear the truth about what they have been through. Failing that, disused military facilities are probably the best option. Just to remind you, only 6% of asylum seekers have been processed since 2018, the Tory party has caused this backlog problem.

You are absolutely having a laugh aren’t you? i would happily stay on that barge, All Inclusive, I tell you!

“Disused military facilities are probably the best option.” 🤣🤣
You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. Most disused military sites have long ago been vandalised. A site not far from us was sold off and new house were for sale. we went to have a look and they had done up a few but the rest were unfit for human habitation.

My friend’s husband and son both work on the rigs and I have seen photos of their accommodation and they are not a patch on this barge.

Have you seen our veterans sleeping in shop doorways covered in old blankets and cardboard? They would jump at the chance of places like these?

I’m not uninformed Primrose53, I do know about the homeless and their accommodation, as I was involved in some of the contracts where the NHS had an input. People were accommodated in single rooms in hostels. Some people choose however to sleep on the streets even when beds are available in hostels or they are offered more permanent accommodation, it’s a very complex picture. There is also specific support available for ex military personnel above that offered to other homeless people, and people work very hard to help them.
The military airbases the government are looking to use at the moment have been in use, although not necessarily as bases for troops, so they aren’t long abandoned vandalised sites. Most empty sites are also kept secure on behalf of the government until sold, I know of two sites where there is a security presence.
If you would be happy to stay on the barge, why not offer your services, you could dispense the milk of human kindness?