The Refugee Ship

Iam64

I’m unhappy about hotels as well. No pleasing me as I do agree, we need to know who and where asylum seekers are.

Best place for them is the safe country called France which they left for a cosier life here. We cannot afford £6m per day on hotels. I cannot afford 3 meals a day - I get a basic pension - I am tired of hearing about them, they are supposed to stay in the first safe country they get to. Trouble is they are not all fleeing danger. I supported the Ukrainian women, children and elderly males coming here. Those illegal boat people should be returned to France.

As we are an island, we hide behind the ‘first country they arrive at’ rule.
This is the shoddiest government I have ever known in my lifetime. Personally I’m ashamed of them. Their behaviour and legislation are immoral.

France is never the first country they get to anyway, so it’s a specious proposal.

The huge majority are young, fit young men, mostly muslim. We are importing an army. Who hate our way of life. Why are we allowing this invasion to happen? It's madness.

4allweknow

There was one, may still be there on the Clyde (Glasgow) for 1000 Ukraine refugees. No complaints raised then, why now all of a sudden. Whilst there will be genuine asylum seekers amobgst those to be housed on a boat, there will be many economic migrants purporting to be a refugee. Where else can they be housed? Sure the government would appreciate constructive suggestions. Long term UK residents are finding it hard enough to get suitable housing here. Yes the system can probably be improved but again the volume and the cost of verifying every application has to come from somewhere, the taxpayer. Sorry but if I was a genuine asylum seeker fleeing for my life, I think I'd find a boat moored in safe waters to be a haven.

Yes if it was good enough to house rig workers, it's good enough for ? asylum seekers.

These boats aren’t the Victorian hulks FGS they are large wide barges and have purpose built rooms which sound quite comfortable.They men aren’t detained either but can go ashore.It’s an alternative to paying out a fortune on hotels.

Casdon

France is never the first country they get to anyway, so it’s a specious proposal.

Overall, doesn't France accommodate more refugees than the UK anyway - along with Germany and Sweden?

The thinking (by some) appears to be that they make their way here for the benefits (a "cushier" life according to one poster) but a little research will indicate that the benefits in other countries are, give or take, about the same as those they get here - and we are not the most generous.

There must be mixed reasons for wanting to come to the UK - the ability to speak the international language, relatives already here and, for those migrants who intend to 'disappear' - as we don't have ID which most other EU countries do... it's easier to do just that.

I think it's a mistake to believe they're all economic migrants - as much as it is to believe they're all doctors and engineers... I think it's a mixed bag. But figures and stats are hard to come by - and they're often contradictory depending on who's compiling them.

Shantygirly

The huge majority are young, fit young men, mostly muslim. We are importing an army. Who hate our way of life. Why are we allowing this invasion to happen? It's madness.

This..

Over 300 plus yesterday on 7 dinghies probably more landed undetected and disappear into the surrounding areas or have transport waiting for them.

Shinamae

Shantygirly

The huge majority are young, fit young men, mostly muslim. We are importing an army. Who hate our way of life. Why are we allowing this invasion to happen? It's madness.

This..

I live in a northern Mill town with a large Muslim population. The majority are of Pakistani origin, though we have Muslims, Sikhs, Hindu’s and more of Indian origin. The started arriving at our invitation in the 50’s to work in our cotton mills. We have had no race riots. The EDL were chased out if town by local people when the arrived to march and cause division.

So far as my experience goes, they’re a mixed bag, like the white/Irish/Welsh/Scottish/polish/ Ukrainian etc of our population.

Islamophobia is alive and well amongst those ‘some posters’

Iam64, exactly. I'm in London - and have neighbours from countries far and wide. There simply is no generalising about the good or bad, worthy or unworthy.

What does amuse me, though, is the frequently expressed desire to 'shut the gates' and stop further immigration - from those who came here themselves in the past!

We are talking about the illegals arriving on the boats not people who have been here for years. We don't know anything about the ones arriving on the dinghies especially if they have destroyed their ID, they could be anyone, have criminal records who knows.

Hetty58, I find that attitude particularly irking from Suella B and Pritti Patel.
Our Imperial history is the reason many people feel strong connection with the UK. This was particularly clear during visits to India.

Nicenanny3

We are talking about the illegals arriving on the boats not people who have been here for years. We don't know anything about the ones arriving on the dinghies especially if they have destroyed their ID, they could be anyone, have criminal records who knows.

A number of the people you refer to as illegals (there’s no such thing) have spoken about their perilous journey. I’m sorry not to have the name to hand, one is now a doctor in the nhs. Mo Farrah?
No doubt some bad people will be amongst those seeking refuge but, they won’t be the majority, demonising people is wrong

Shinamae

Shantygirly

The huge majority are young, fit young men, mostly muslim. We are importing an army. Who hate our way of life. Why are we allowing this invasion to happen? It's madness.

This..

I'm afraid I couldn't pass this by without comment. This is an extremely unpleasant and racist comment. I have worked with Muslim communities from very many different countries and it is absolute rubbish! This is the sort of lie that is peddled by far right extremist groups like the English Defence League, which is a proscribed organisation, designed to spread hatred and fear. I am frankly disgusted that anyone could endorse a comment like this.

Iam64

Shinamae

Shantygirly

The huge majority are young, fit young men, mostly muslim. We are importing an army. Who hate our way of life. Why are we allowing this invasion to happen? It's madness.

This..

I live in a northern Mill town with a large Muslim population. The majority are of Pakistani origin, though we have Muslims, Sikhs, Hindu’s and more of Indian origin. The started arriving at our invitation in the 50’s to work in our cotton mills. We have had no race riots. The EDL were chased out if town by local people when the arrived to march and cause division.

So far as my experience goes, they’re a mixed bag, like the white/Irish/Welsh/Scottish/polish/ Ukrainian etc of our population.

Islamophobia is alive and well amongst those ‘some posters’

Well lucky you. London, Bristol not so.

Iam64

It’s an international problem. We need to speed our assessment process. I can’t support putting vulnerable people seeking refuge into such totally inappropriate ‘accommodation’

I would say it's a problem of the countries these men come from,wouldn't you. It always amazes me ,they leave their home countries to earn easy money, no job to go to, expecting others to house and feed them , so they think, yet millions more stay and work to improve things there. Such as the medic I follow in a African country, working his socks off to improve the health and well being of his local villages. So why aren't the UN demanding better quality of life for people in these mineral, oil rich countries. Better human rights. No easier to knock the West for what they're not doing.

Freya5

4allweknow

There was one, may still be there on the Clyde (Glasgow) for 1000 Ukraine refugees. No complaints raised then, why now all of a sudden. Whilst there will be genuine asylum seekers amobgst those to be housed on a boat, there will be many economic migrants purporting to be a refugee. Where else can they be housed? Sure the government would appreciate constructive suggestions. Long term UK residents are finding it hard enough to get suitable housing here. Yes the system can probably be improved but again the volume and the cost of verifying every application has to come from somewhere, the taxpayer. Sorry but if I was a genuine asylum seeker fleeing for my life, I think I'd find a boat moored in safe waters to be a haven.

Yes if it was good enough to house rig workers, it's good enough for ? asylum seekers.

Have you seen the conditions the Royal Navy live in? We watched a programme recently and were shocked. Submariners get even worse. Our neighbour served on a submarine and we heard lots of stories about the conditions.

The Essex detention centre for 1700 single men is in a very rural area. The population of the villages and small towns in the area is far from cosmopolitan. The men will have buses laid on to the local small towns where presumably they will wander around in groups. Need I go on?
The Essex proposal is subject to an application for judicial review, which I hope succeeds.

Primrose53

Freya5

4allweknow

There was one, may still be there on the Clyde (Glasgow) for 1000 Ukraine refugees. No complaints raised then, why now all of a sudden. Whilst there will be genuine asylum seekers amobgst those to be housed on a boat, there will be many economic migrants purporting to be a refugee. Where else can they be housed? Sure the government would appreciate constructive suggestions. Long term UK residents are finding it hard enough to get suitable housing here. Yes the system can probably be improved but again the volume and the cost of verifying every application has to come from somewhere, the taxpayer. Sorry but if I was a genuine asylum seeker fleeing for my life, I think I'd find a boat moored in safe waters to be a haven.

Yes if it was good enough to house rig workers, it's good enough for ? asylum seekers.

Have you seen the conditions the Royal Navy live in? We watched a programme recently and were shocked. Submariners get even worse. Our neighbour served on a submarine and we heard lots of stories about the conditions.

Really, equating our submarines and its living quarters, like that for a reason, to a massive refurbished barge. Sorry but you can't pick and choose, and our brave sailors understand and accept it as condition of their service. Other people should be grateful.

Overall, doesn't France accommodate more refugees than the UK anyway - along with Germany and Sweden?

Why do we keep comparing ourselves to other countries when Britain is a fraction of the size? We can't save the whole world.

I have been pondering the current refugee/asylum situation and have come to a conclusion that the U.K. had sympathy with the Ukrainian refugees as they were mostly women, children and the elderly who fled whilst all men (and some women) of fighting age have remained to fight for their Country.

The small boats we see arriving daily are filled in the majority with young men of fighting age.

In my opinion it’s all to do with the optics worrying for some folks who do not look beyond the optics

(Sorry for being a bit convoluted and garbled I am rushing)

I thought the Essex airfield they are using as a detention centre was near Braintree, which is a big place, have I got that wrong?
I think everybody who lives near a detention centre is concerned, they certainly are in Llanelli, but if the government would only sort out the backlog of asylum seeker applications since 2018 there would be much less need for them.

Even if they sort out the backlog and all are allowed to stay here, where are they all going to live. If the boats don't stop coming thousands more will be arriving, where are they going to live. It's never ending are we to take everyone who wants to come here?

And there is the root of the problem, Casdon.The huge backlog.Also there seems to be so much mis information floating about, mostly I believe spread by the extreme right wing .