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A vision for the future.

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DaisyAnneReturns Wed 19-Jul-23 14:30:33

Tony Blair's Future of Britain conference has come round yet again. I'll try and give you the links to each of the speakers. This first one is Tony Blair speaking to Kier Starmer.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6AXspycKyo&list=PLd9TfSxRj7iL1t8f3_0SGwu0Q8ROxKfoY&index=1

Anniebach Tue 25-Jul-23 15:37:06

Tony Blair, the only Labour leader to win 3 consecutive general
elections, many people without any sense voted ?

Casdon Tue 25-Jul-23 13:12:58

Grany

Nobody with any sense would listen to a word TB says on anything least of all healthcare

A million dead Iraq’s

An advisor to dictatorships
Made £100 million

Given that the NHS was in its best state, with the best waiting times, before or since when you take account of demand, when Labour left office in 2010, that is a stupid statement. Whatever Blair did wrong, managing the NHS badly was not one of his failings. I agree PFI was a bad thing to continue after John Major started it, but otherwise Labour did a good job.

Dinahmo Tue 25-Jul-23 13:11:14

JPB123

DaisyAnneReturns

Do watch them when you have time icanhandthemback, there are two on the future of education.

I find it inspiring when someone in the thick of it explains, but very saddening to hear private education in various countries is well ahead. However, once state/public education expands on those who have already adopted it, it could be a great leveller.

The idea of personalised "gap filling" particularly appeals to me as someone who changed schools often, at a time when the curriculum was not the "across the board" set one it is now.

The Future of Health Care ones are also enlightening.

Who are you to tell us what to watch?

Be sensible. She's not telling us to do anything. She's just suggesting enthusiastically.

Dinahmo Tue 25-Jul-23 13:08:38

Diplomat

Agree wholeheartedly EEjit. That man is the greatest champagne socialist ever. Can't bare to look or listen to him.

What's wrong with being a champagne socialist? Aren't us lefties allowed to have some of the finer things in life

Grany Tue 25-Jul-23 12:29:52

Nobody with any sense would listen to a word TB says on anything least of all healthcare

A million dead Iraq’s

An advisor to dictatorships
Made £100 million

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 25-Jul-23 08:00:15

mabon1

Whilst agree with what you say about Tony Blair, there are many socialists who have worked hard all their lives, if they wish to live well what's wrong with that I ask?

Who are you agreeing with ^mabon*

Whilst agree with what you say about Tony Blair

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 24-Jul-23 22:55:41

Why shouldn't Tony Blair talk about the NHS Grany?

You do. I do. Everyone on here does.

mabon1 Mon 24-Jul-23 22:25:33

Whilst agree with what you say about Tony Blair, there are many socialists who have worked hard all their lives, if they wish to live well what's wrong with that I ask?

Grany Mon 24-Jul-23 20:54:02

Why is Tony Blair talking about the NHS

Dr Bob Gill explains

m.youtube.com/watch?v=WzejhelMOn0

icanhandthemback Mon 24-Jul-23 11:52:31

Well put, Elegran.

Gundy, AI can be a force for greater good when used in certain areas. What we need is a good legislative framework to ensure that it is only used for that purpose. I am not saying that would be easy but where it could help us with our health and learning, it would be a shame not to facilitate it.

Grantanow Mon 24-Jul-23 11:08:47

Those who run down Blair because of Iraq should remember he was re-elected after Iraq for the third time. Domestic policies are what matter to voters. The rubbishing of Labour's domestic achievements under Blair by the Left under Corbyn which weaponised Iraq against him was a disgrace and did Labour no good with the voters. Starmer is on track for a significant Labour victory and I hope he succeeds otherwise we may as well turn out the lights.

SpringsEternal Mon 24-Jul-23 09:56:26

Yep, well said, Elegran!

choughdancer Mon 24-Jul-23 09:12:57

Elegran

To those who say they won't watch listen to anything Tony Blair says, or who ask "Who are you to tell us who to watch?" - firstly, it isn't "what Tony blair says" it is what a lot of people who are successful and knowledgeable in their own fields are not only saying BUT DOING, Blair is just facilitating them getting together to exchange news and pass on what they have learnt.

Secondy, the OP is someone who has had access to all this information and is passing on to the rest of us how to easily find it ourselves. Giving or receiving access to genuine information is never a waste of time or an imposition. Once you have absorbed it you are free to disagree with the speaker's conclusions. Closing your mind to even the link to people who have tried something new and succeeded with it is being a Luddite, and similar to a prehistoric cave-dweller refusing to consider copying that newfangled round thing that clever-clogs in the cave next door calls a "wheel"

Well said Elegran!

Elegran Mon 24-Jul-23 09:05:02

To those who say they won't watch listen to anything Tony Blair says, or who ask "Who are you to tell us who to watch?" - firstly, it isn't "what Tony blair says" it is what a lot of people who are successful and knowledgeable in their own fields are not only saying BUT DOING, Blair is just facilitating them getting together to exchange news and pass on what they have learnt.

Secondy, the OP is someone who has had access to all this information and is passing on to the rest of us how to easily find it ourselves. Giving or receiving access to genuine information is never a waste of time or an imposition. Once you have absorbed it you are free to disagree with the speaker's conclusions. Closing your mind to even the link to people who have tried something new and succeeded with it is being a Luddite, and similar to a prehistoric cave-dweller refusing to consider copying that newfangled round thing that clever-clogs in the cave next door calls a "wheel"

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 24-Jul-23 08:50:12

I'm setting my self the target of watching either Fixing our Food Environment (Richard Dimbleby) or Defence and the Future of NATO (Ben Wallace) next. Ben Wallace had just resigned as Secretary of State for Defence the weekend before the conference. I hope that talk of that doesn't squeeze out his thinking on defence.

I'll be interested to hear if anyone has watched either of these and what you've taken away from them.

Lilyflower Mon 24-Jul-23 08:28:32

I think 'the brightest and best' people who haven't an ounce of common sense and who think they are better than the rest of we poor mortals are the ones who make the most mischief. Their arrogance has to be seen to be believed.
ULEZ
15 minute walking cities
No meat, sugar, alcohol, lawns, cars, gas boilers, sweeteners to name a few recent demonisations
War on the motorist
Covid Lockdown
ER, BLM, WEF, WHO.
Brightest and best the lot of them.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 24-Jul-23 08:14:11

icanhandthemback

DaisyAnneReturns

study.ourfuturehealth.org.uk/welcome?r=community

You can sign up here.

Thank you icanhandthemback.

Gundy Mon 24-Jul-23 03:36:05

What’s scarier than Tony Blair or any politician is AI‼️ Proceed with caution.

icanhandthemback Sun 23-Jul-23 23:33:41

DaisyAnneReturns

study.ourfuturehealth.org.uk/welcome?r=community

You can sign up here.

Grantanow Sun 23-Jul-23 22:33:47

I think it important to listen to and consider what anyone with a spark of intelligence has to say regardless of opinions about their moral position or history.

Sawsage2 Sun 23-Jul-23 21:49:20

EEjit. Totally agree with you.smile

DaisyAnneReturns Sun 23-Jul-23 21:47:58

I do like hearing the ideas about more localised testing. We have invested so much less in these machines than other countries. I have a vision of much smaller hospitals in the future from what they are saying, too.

Where did you find the sign up for the Research programme icanhandthemback? I think I was getting brain overload by that point. He said they were nearly full, didn't he.

icanhandthemback Sun 23-Jul-23 21:23:49

I've signed up for the Research Programme. It is interesting to hear Sir John Bell talking about things like the lack of imaging, etc. Currently, before imaging, you are referred to a Muskoskeletal Clinic who will refer you to a Physio who will fiddle about for a period of time. For 2 of my children I have been adamant that they should not be fiddling about without knowing exactly what is wrong because of the damage that could be done with their genetic condition. Each time the Physio has been most put out because they know what is wrong. Sadly, each time, they have been wrong. Fortunately no harm has been done but a lot of time was wasted. They don't present like the average patient, they look like horses but are actually Zebras.
We have the technology, let's invest in it and use it!

Marg75 Sun 23-Jul-23 21:13:28

LucyW I agree with you wholeheartedly.

LucyW Sun 23-Jul-23 20:54:53

Tony Blair should hang his head in shame for the lives of service personnel lost in the war he took us into. My late husband was a military man to his core and Tony Blair was despised by everyone we knew. I would not believe a word that came out of his mouth.