Breaking: Just Stop Oil Protester Attacked by Partner of Pregnant Woman 🛑

Just Stop Oil is a waste of space - they are not helpful, simply exhibitionist. We need grown up politicians to resolve the climate crisis following the advice of leading scientists.

My staunchly labour London borough refuses to allow solar panels on any houses in designated ‘conservation areas’ and have ordered people that fitted them to have them removed. They are building properties with heat exchangers and solar panels, but consider our older properties mustn’t be defiled by such energy saving initiatives. ‘Some’ people seem to get away with other types of prohibited changes, perhaps they’ve bunged the right people in planning?

Solar panels are being put on church roofs here in Norfolk. There are also solar panel farms and offshore wind farms.

I expect also that solar panel manufacturers haven't bunged enough money in the direction of the tory party...

The last time I was in Suffolk I saw many new housing estates but not one with solar panels on the roofs. Why not?

Isn't it because David Cameron said 'Cut the green crap' and we've had tory governments ever since?

Tories ordered that no more planning permission could be given for onshore wind farms. Until then they were proliferating all over the place.

One answer is to stop all the nimbyism that goes on in the UK.

Here in France grants are available for solar panels. at a nearby town the commune have built a large array of solar panels between the autoroute and the town. Supermarkets everywhere are installing covered parking with solar panels.
Windmills are appearing everywhere. We haven't been back to the UK since pre- covid but I used to like seeing the windmills along the north coast of France. They always remind me of the windmills that we had as children.

Visiting Italy pre covid and travelling by train we saw arrays of solar panels built on wast ground near marshalling yards.

The last time I was in Suffolk I saw many new housing estates but not one with solar panels on the roofs. Why not?

What gets me is these just stop oil protestors is for a start their slogan . Just stop oil. I know they want to stop industrial pollution from fossil fuels. But their slogan Just stop oil. Always makes me wonder if they want to stop olive ,reap seed and other oils. Yes I know it sounds ridiculous but that's what I think everytime I see their slogan.
Also don't any of these people have jobs to go to ,or homes and families to look after?

Sorry they are physically getting attacked but what do they expect . People need to get to work,school run etc. How many people have missed hospital appointments because of them etc.

They will never win and they are just annoying people . Plus how are they getting to the protest places? Bet a lot travel by car or public transport. Doubt very much they walk or cycle .

When the pandemic started, we had a short time when the world locked down. Planes weren’t flying, people stayed at home. And, am I right in thinking that the world started to heal itself. Now, I’m not saying we have to go back to living in a pre Industrial Revolution way but couldn’t the world get together and have short periods of time where we give the planet a break from our pollution?

82% of the population know and are worried by global warming. Evcry thing ER does adds to it.

Why don't ER do something useful like demonstrating at the entrance of huge housing estates where solar panels on the roof are not standard?

Why do they not set up a commune or colony somewhere and show us how to live a net zero life, with nothing oil based in their lives, no plastic shoes, ployester clothes, everything brought on site by vehicles, where no oil has been used in their manufacture or use.

Why do they not try and inspire us to greater efforts and multiple small changes in our own lives that we can see understand and use to inform our own lives.

Any idiot can demonstrate. Only clever and charismatic people can show us how to live a better life.

Top story on BBC online page just now. 'Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharterd territory'

Just started reading the new Peter May novel 'A Winter Grave'. It takes place mainly in 2050, in a Scotland with an inundated coastline. Thought some folk on here might like to try it.
glammagran, think Climate Change itself is the one with the agenda to scare us to actual death!

Did anyone see the reports in the press yesterday saying that people in the Med had been holding their mobiles showing the projected temperatures directly underneath led street signs showing the actual temperature as 10c lower. Has anyone noticed the colouration showing temperatures on maps has changed so dark purple no denotes the highest temperatures.

Also the Times showed a map yesterday showing the hottest temperatures ever recorded in spots around Europe. Remarkably many of these were recorded in the first half of the 20th century. Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall so can’t share.

I’m not saying that there is nothing in climate change because it changes all the time but I think there is an agenda to scare us all to death.

I get the message that JSO are shouting from the rooftops but am beginning to think, very pessimistically, that we have missed the boat.
If we want China to stop using the fossil fuels that Australia is shipping to them in vast quantities then we have to stop buying unnecessary goods from them.
Some things are unavoidable but perhaps we have to look at all the things we absolutely don’t need.
These are items that make our lives ‘fun’ but serve no useful purpose.
Perhaps we should have a thread on what we could easily live without?

Dinahmo

Lathyrus

Dinahmo

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Well yes, but then what? After the current supplies run out.

Sailing ships?

What’s the practical vision of an oiled, gasless, coaless society?

How will we feed the current population when food can no longer be transported quickly and cheaply.

Wind, sea, sun?

Horse and cart, stagecoach.

Lathyrus

Just wondering McFizz. If you think it’s utterly vile to wish harm on someone, what do you think of people who actually cause harm to others by preventing ambulances and surgeons reaching the hospital?

Why do you think one is vile and the other is laudable?

The man in the Mercedes contributes to - quote - over 1,700 hospital admissions for asthma and COPD between 2017 and 2019 - unquote. That man attacked one person, and threatened, physically threatened, a passer-by who intervened trying to stop him - someone not connected with Just Stop Oil who saw a man in the road being kicked in the head.

Where did I say I found the actions of Just Stop Oil "laudable"? I did ask if anyone else had heard the BBC Radio 4 interview with Climate Professor Sir Robert Watson (British chemist who has worked on atmospheric science issues including ozone depletion, global warming and paleoclimatology since the 1980s.).

Wishing, hoping for harm on another person is disgusting, in my opinion. Like they were a mugger, a paedophile, or something. I don't agree with the actions of Just Stop Oil, but I understand the message they want to get across and you can't deny they are all over the media with their actions.

More from Professor Watson here - www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/robert-watson-world-earth-scientists-astrazeneca-b2378727.html - please take the time to read it.

To the Poster who mentioned the ozone layer up-thread, yes that situation has improved, but was it by magic? No, it was because global governments took the correct action, in time. The Maldives are still above water. Is that your way of saying the sea is not rising due to climate change? Check out what is happening in Fiji just now. Villages are being moved inland and uphill. Even graveyards will be relocated. That is not a frivolous undertaking. There are many strategies that could be used to save the planet, but denial is not one of the better ones.

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More kick back from the public today.
news.sky.com/story/just-stop-oil-protesters-shoved-off-the-road-during-slow-march-in-london-12924746

Just wondering McFizz. If you think it’s utterly vile to wish harm on someone, what do you think of people who actually cause harm to others by preventing ambulances and surgeons reaching the hospital?

Why do you think one is vile and the other is laudable?

DrWatson

The comment from GermanShepherdsMum is QUITE CORRECT. These people are spoiled pillocks. Hopefully one or more will get seriously injured soon. In their first set of daft demos, they stopped an ambulance getting to hospital (patient either damaged for life or DOA, I forget), and one of the vehicles they blocked (polluting away in a traffic jam) was a truck taking insulation material to a DIY store. Chris Packham was on a radio i'view recently, singing their praises, and referred to himself "driving round the M25". There's a joke there somewhere . . .

Hopefully one or more will get seriously injured soon

Vile. Utterly vile. How can anyone justify a remark such as that.

I heard this yesterday lunchtime on BBC Radio 4 (it's a quick 7 min listen, and I found it extraordinary / appalling).
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g1y1gf

Whatever you think of their tactics, Just Stop Oil are making headlines. That oaf who crashed his car - he didn't just attack the Just Stop Oil protester, he physically threatened a passer-by who intervened, he didn't comfort his obviously distraught partner, just pointed at the door of the car to her - people on here seem more concerned about her welfare than him. Crashed his car and took it out on a nearby target.

He's driving a 15 year old Mercedes with 167g/km emission in Central London. (My 5 year old Toyota Aygo is, by comparison, 93g/km). *Anything less than 100g/km can be considered low – or good – CO2 emissions.

>The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has said today that further bold action is urgently needed to tackle London’s filthy air, as new analysis by researchers from Imperial College London shows air pollution contributed to over 1,700 hospital admissions for asthma and COPD between 2017 and 2019. < Source - www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/cleaner-air-would-help-150000-breathe-easier

I'm not condoning the actions of Just Stop Oil, but I am very concerned for our future - I'm not talking about the personal use of oil for heating, for running a car, but this Government has given the green light for a new coal mine in Cumbria! Listen, please, to the Radio 4 piece.

M0nica, thank you for taking time to post the article on population. Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall.

But thank you anyway🙂

Dinahmo

Lathyrus

Dinahmo

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Well yes, but then what? After the current supplies run out.

Sailing ships?

What’s the practical vision of an oiled, gasless, coaless society?

How will we feed the current population when food can no longer be transported quickly and cheaply.

Wind, sea, sun?

I think you’ll find the sea is something to battle for the most of the time when getting around the world. The wind is unpredictable and no ship could carry enough solar plates to propel it against these two.

I’m afraid that won’t work for food supplies.

Good for him, these protesters are creating havoc everywhere. If these so called protesters are so dedicated to their cause, why are they using cars, trains and planes to get to their next protest.
In my opinion that is hypocrisy at its absolute best.

Lathyrus

Dinahmo

Just Stop Oil s not expecting the supply of oil to the UK to stop right now like some of you seem to believe. What they actually want is for the government not to issue any more licences for oil, gas and coal extraction.

Here's a link to a BBC report from 5 July,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63543307

Well yes, but then what? After the current supplies run out.

Sailing ships?

What’s the practical vision of an oiled, gasless, coaless society?

How will we feed the current population when food can no longer be transported quickly and cheaply.

Wind, sea, sun?

Lathyrus The UN predictions for future population have been under attack for some time from many population experts for over estimating future world population

You may find this link make interesting reading www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02522-6