We could play "Spot the culture war"

Reuters fact checkers have been found wanting, I'm not sure if they were fined. But they were the gold standard, supposedly.

Oreo

It’s getting more and more difficult to believe anything.Only after it’s been verified by multiple sources can we really begin to think it can be true.

Good point.

Oreo

It’s getting more and more difficult to believe anything.Only after it’s been verified by multiple sources can we really begin to think it can be true.

And lots of fact checkers aren't in the least bit independent, as they are in the pay of the very people/companies ect they should be checking!

It’s getting more and more difficult to believe anything.Only after it’s been verified by multiple sources can we really begin to think it can be true.

A source that youapprove of DAReturns?

Or are we allowed free choice?

MaizieD

How do you know that your 'independent news' was telling the truth, as opposed to the BBC, Freya?

I would ask the same question. Freya said: Yes I was very interested, after listening to independant news on Internet,as to how the Harry debacle was shown by the obviously biased beeb yesterday. Non of the real reasons as to why this was thrown out by the Judge, just that he could now sue again.

The wording of this post appears biased to me. That presumably means your source was ultra-biased towards your thinking and away from mine.

How can we know if the source that persuaded you to use the extreme language in your post, was correct? How can I, having read the post, accept your source as a trusted source?

If you are trying to convince others, you need to use a source the majority can trust.

Whitewavemark2

I see the son of the KGB agent - Lebedev has ploughed in supporting Farage.

Has he? Perhaps he is hoping to get some of the confiscated millions quietly transferred into his account, now that NF is obviously in charge of the banks 🤣🤣
Thankfully there are more important people joining the charge and seeing that this is only partially about NF now.

The less than funny point to be made Wwmk2, is that on the basis of this person's nationality you have used guilt by association (do they actually know each other?) To condemn 2 people without saying exactly what you or the writer believe this means.

That is precisely why and how AR and the BBC made their mistake

I honestly don’t know Whitewave but I do know that many UK politicians have accepted Russian money by being friendly and by appearing on Russian TV shows.Including Labour politicians like Jeremy Corbyn and I think Gordon Brown and they aren’t dodgy are they? Probably Conservative politicians too have done it.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

I see the son of the KGB agent - Lebedev has ploughed in supporting Farage.

It doesn’t matter tho if 1,000 KGB agents say they support Farage.
Being debanked cos of his political views is just not on.Or for anybody else either. It’s the whole matter of people being denied accounts or having current accounts curtailed if banks decide they don’t like your views.
It’s now being looked at and I think banks will now stop doing it and get back to rooting out money laundering or any other financial misdoings ( is that even a word?) and stop tinkering about with political views or any other kind of views that people hold.At least I hope so.

I know that.

Just reminding people of the sort of friends Farage keeps, in case they’ve forgotten.

As Aesop said “a man is known by the company he keeps”

And Farage has a lot of dodgy company doesn’t he?

There’s also the small matter of Alison Rose giving false info to a BBC journalist.Even if that had been true it would have been leaking private financial customer info.
She has now resigned over this and so has another top Coutts CEO.

Whitewavemark2

I see the son of the KGB agent - Lebedev has ploughed in supporting Farage.

It doesn’t matter tho if 1,000 KGB agents say they support Farage.
Being debanked cos of his political views is just not on.Or for anybody else either. It’s the whole matter of people being denied accounts or having current accounts curtailed if banks decide they don’t like your views.
It’s now being looked at and I think banks will now stop doing it and get back to rooting out money laundering or any other financial misdoings ( is that even a word?) and stop tinkering about with political views or any other kind of views that people hold.At least I hope so.

GrannyGravy13

Oreo many years ago I used Wikipedia as my source for something I posted on GN, I was well and truly told that it was not a site to be trusted, full of untruths etc.

Then whenever the Daily Mail is brought up on a thread we are told that according to Wikipedia the DM cannot be trusted on the validity of its journalism by the exact same poster/s…

Yikes! Catch 22 or what?

I see the son of the KGB agent - Lebedev has ploughed in supporting Farage.

varian

The right-wing media, when they can no longer defend the indefensible, resort to pointing the finger of blame at others, and when that no longer works encourage their readers to believe that "they're all just as bad as each other"

In the last eight years we have seen the damage that has been done by an unrestrained right wing government - a circus of chaos, gross incompetence mired in corruption.

No-one should cynically accept that any other party could be anything like as bad.

I may be hoping to get rid of Sunak, and I may agree with your second paragraph, but when I look at politics over the years I’ve been interested in how politics affects me, your statement

"they're all just as bad as each other" is very accurate and illustrates why your last paragraph happens.

The main difference is our ability to find out what has happened via the media. In days gone by, we only knew what the newspapers or the radio and eventually, TV told us. Now we can have instant and detailed access to all the goings on.

How do you know that your 'independent news' was telling the truth, as opposed to the BBC, Freya?

Oreo many years ago I used Wikipedia as my source for something I posted on GN, I was well and truly told that it was not a site to be trusted, full of untruths etc.

Then whenever the Daily Mail is brought up on a thread we are told that according to Wikipedia the DM cannot be trusted on the validity of its journalism by the exact same poster/s…

Oreo

Freya5

varian

It may be true that fewer and fewer people, especially young people actually read newspapers.

However that does very little to diminish the influence of the right wig press owned and controlled by right wing billionaires.

The Mailonline is said to be the most read English language news website in the world. - and yet it is full of froth and lies. Wikipedea warns that most of what is reported in the Daily Mail and Mailonline is untrue.

Even if we don't go online we cannot avoid the headlines in the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Sun and the Daily Express when we queue at the supermarket checkout. Their are very pervasive.

Wikipedia, you really believe what it says, when it's word's can be altered at will,by anyone. Was warned against wiki during university as unreliable, and in some cases out and out untruthful.

Newspapers can’t always be believed neither can Wiki. The facts they report are not always facts at all but info they’ve been fed by somebody.Some papers and the BBC do try to verify what they print but don’t always do a really great job and some don’t even try.

Yes I was very interested, after listening to independant news on Internet,as to how the Harry debacle was shown by the obviously biased beeb yesterday. Non of the real reasons as to why this was thrown out by the Judge, just that he could now sue again.

😁 Namsnanny that’s a good one!

Yeah, Jacks assumed that a senior person in the organisation like Alison Rose was giving him the true lowdown on the reason that NF’s bank account was closed. Makes you think doesn’t it? So much of what we read is garbage.

Oreo Who have you offended? it looks as if you've been deposted

Well BBC Verify did a poor job for Mr Jacks, who they well and truly dropped in it.

Freya5

varian

It may be true that fewer and fewer people, especially young people actually read newspapers.

However that does very little to diminish the influence of the right wig press owned and controlled by right wing billionaires.

The Mailonline is said to be the most read English language news website in the world. - and yet it is full of froth and lies. Wikipedea warns that most of what is reported in the Daily Mail and Mailonline is untrue.

Even if we don't go online we cannot avoid the headlines in the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Sun and the Daily Express when we queue at the supermarket checkout. Their are very pervasive.

Wikipedia, you really believe what it says, when it's word's can be altered at will,by anyone. Was warned against wiki during university as unreliable, and in some cases out and out untruthful.

Newspapers can’t always be believed neither can Wiki. The facts they report are not always facts at all but info they’ve been fed by somebody.Some papers and the BBC do try to verify what they print but don’t always do a really great job and some don’t even try.

Gone already!

Am now guessing that the above post will be reported too and vanish.What oddness that a person will report something so innocuous as my comment.😲

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

OOps another one bites the dust

Oreo

Namsnanny

Sorry DAReturns you've lost me
again!
Apologies for making
you feel like a 10
year old, that wasnt my
intention.

I would like to pick you up on the point you make about critical thinking.

Why accuse others of being indoctrinated, whilst assuming you are impervious to it?
What is it about your mind that is so superior to others, and can we change?

Or do we have to think the same way as you before we can demonstrate any critical analysis?

It's interesting isnt it? When our habits are brought into the light, and we have to accou t for them, we have to acknowledge some uncomfortable facts.

You may not have liked it Namsnanny am guessing.

I think sometimes that critical thinking doesn’t extend to any topic that is disagreed with.😄

No probably not
Still a shame not to be able to debate the comment though.