We could play "Spot the culture war"

Yesterdays Times headlines “Sunak’s plan to divide and rule”

This from a prime Minister who is supposed to govern for the good of ALL the country.

Apparently Sunak, when proposing to restrict the number of students, was heard to say "universities are full of people who don't vote for us anyway"

Does that count as culture wars - or maybe, war on culture?

varian

Apparently Sunak, when proposing to restrict the number of students, was heard to say "universities are full of people who don't vote for us anyway"

Does that count as culture wars - or maybe, war on culture?

Had it occurred to him that most students (and would-be students, if he goes ahead) have parents, who then won't vote for his party either? That'll be three votes lost, two of whom may have been Tory voters until he put the kibosh on their child's tertiary education.

Short-termism again.

It does seem as if he is preparing another Hate Fest. It also appears, sadly, that this is the only thing the far-right extremists are good at and, of course, it attracts both right and left political authoritarians.

If you are trying to attract votes it has to be the easiest way. No need to recognise political plurality, the coexistence of different interests or the actual diversity within our nation. These people just don't do "difficult". When they see it they just charge at it with the "we are right, therefore you are wrong" mantra and so many are prepared to close down logic and join them.

The right-wing media, when they can no longer defend the indefensible, resort to pointing the finger of blame at others, and when that no longer works encourage their readers to believe that "they're all just as bad as each other"

In the last eight years we have seen the damage that has been done by an unrestrained right wing government - a circus of chaos, gross incompetence mired in corruption.

No-one should cynically accept that any other party could be anything like as bad.

Elegran

varian

Apparently Sunak, when proposing to restrict the number of students, was heard to say "universities are full of people who don't vote for us anyway"

Does that count as culture wars - or maybe, war on culture?

Had it occurred to him that most students (and would-be students, if he goes ahead) have parents, who then won't vote for his party either? That'll be three votes lost, two of whom may have been Tory voters until he put the kibosh on their child's tertiary education.

Short-termism again.

It's the same old same old. Don't want any state education, attack universities and use one of the ill-thought-through rants of those with little or no knowledge in this area. It could have been a positive message, but that doesn't garner votes.

Under this government, the promise was to ramp up the inspection of University courses in 2021. Just like so much promised by them, money will have been spent, but nothing has ever happened.

So how about the "positives" for in-work training. Why isn't it working as well as we would want? Here we find another deliberate underfunding as we now have in health, dentistry, care, education, etc., etc. Anything we once believed helped everyone in the long run is now discarded with attacks on those who would have made use of them.

Heaven help young people.

If you’re going to mount a successful election campaign by attacking your opposition, why announce what you’re planning to do in advance to give them time to mount their defence seat by seat? It seems counterproductive to show your cards so early.

So what areas are up for weaponisation?

We know that the Tories successfully and constantly weaponise the immigration issue.

It seems that trans-gender issues are being given active consideration for weaponisation which will without fail result in hurt and distress to anyone who is a transgender person. We only have to look on this site to see how easily hate and exaggeration is so easily whipped up.

What other minorities are in danger from a government who in normal times one would expect to protect them from this?

Do you mean the discussions on the tavistock or the issue of men in womens sport or spaces.

Feminists mostly left wing feminists, have been discussing those issues for over ten years. Long long before the Tories decided they could play with the issue.
MN was at the forefront of those discussions, as I say a decade ago, so anyone who thinks those women are part of the culture war has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Whitewavemark2

So what areas are up for weaponisation?

We know that the Tories successfully and constantly weaponise the immigration issue.

It seems that trans-gender issues are being given active consideration for weaponisation which will without fail result in hurt and distress to anyone who is a transgender person. We only have to look on this site to see how easily hate and exaggeration is so easily whipped up.

What other minorities are in danger from a government who in normal times one would expect to protect them from this?

If it’s seat by seat, it will probably be more about road schemes, dog poo on the streets, keep our local school/hospital open, pedestrianisation of shopping centres etc., whatever the locals rant about most.
Starmer is giving very few clues about his plans, which I’m beginning to realise is a clever strategy (even acknowledged by Rees-Mogg) as it lessens the impact of any jibes if they just don’t know anything he is specifically planning, and they can’t effectively argue about the economy which is the usual target.

I think it will be seat by seat - but also nationwide with the assistance of the media.

Let us just remind ourselves that over 80% of those who read newspapers in the UK, read right wing propaganda owned by foreign billionaires or tax exiles.

If you read The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Daily Express< The Times, etc, you will be instructed to vote Conservative.

There will be no serious criticism of the appalling Tory governments of the last eight years, only pro-Tory propaganda.

Galaxy

Feminists mostly left wing feminists, have been discussing those issues for over ten years. Long long before the Tories decided they could play with the issue.
MN was at the forefront of those discussions, as I say a decade ago, so anyone who thinks those women are part of the culture war has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Any one care to reply?

Namsnanny

Galaxy

Feminists mostly left wing feminists, have been discussing those issues for over ten years. Long long before the Tories decided they could play with the issue.
MN was at the forefront of those discussions, as I say a decade ago, so anyone who thinks those women are part of the culture war has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Any one care to reply?

Go on then Namsnanny, you go first.

Haha Age (wisdom?) before beauty!

Well you've lost me.

How do you feel about Galaxy post Wyllow3?

Does it have veracity?

Or is there another explanation for the points she makes?

I want to hear what you think Namsnanny.

Yes I can see that. 😉 but Galaxy was left hanging, at an interesting point in the discussion wasn't she?
I'm assessing pros and cons to choose how I might vote in the future.

I thought this thread might help 👍

It's a point rarely answered namsnanny, it's much easier to think in terms of culture wars rather than addressing quite complex issues. Left wing feminist lesbians being some of the most high profile of those raising concerns is just a bit tricky.

I do wish Sunak would stop behaving like a 16 year old.

In His latest tweet he is trying to link the Labour Party with the smuggling gangs. What a silly little man he us.

Agreed Galaxy Although an intelligent in depth discussion, from all pov would be very helpful (minus the hate and exaggeration that invariably gets whipped up).

Wwmk2 I think you're right, he is a silly little man. Although it is difficult to find 'proper' politicians nowadays.

Agreed Galaxy Although an intelligent in depth discussion, from all pov would be very helpful (minus the hate and exaggeration that invariably gets whipped up).
This is the sort of comment that put me off replying.