How Should I / One Vote, especially in regards to The EU? 🗳️ 🇪🇺

Oh, sorry pascal30. I made an assumption about your past voting behaviour that wasn't justified by the information in your post. Please ignore me!

pascal30

Now that my constituency has lost Caroline Lucas I will vote tactically which will mean Labour, only in order to displace the Conservatives.. I prefer Liberal Democrat policies and wish wholeheartedly that we could rejoin the EU..

It seems that Eddie Izzard is your Labour candidate. A more apt choice for Brighton than for Sheffield, perhaps, but why won't you continue to vote Green? Is the Green candidate not as good as Lucas?

Chiefly I blame the political opportunists like Johnson and the ERG loonies who misled those who voted Leave. They probably misled some intelligent voters as well as the others. And I blame Corbyn for obfuscation and the ineffective Remain campaigners for poor performance. Hopefully, at some point a politician will have the guts to argue for rejoining the EU otherwise we may as well turn the lights out.

Now that my constituency has lost Caroline Lucas I will vote tactically which will mean Labour, only in order to displace the Conservatives.. I prefer Liberal Democrat policies and wish wholeheartedly that we could rejoin the EU..

Could Labour make it work?

I’m certain they will make it work a lot better than it than at present, that will mean cooperating and accepting some of the EU regulations. Further integration may come in the long term.

The Lib Dems don’t have a strong national power base to challenge the two dominant parties, nor do they have policies that appeal to enough voters. They are very strong at local elections where their ideology has wider appeal amongst those that bother to vote.

I'm a lib-dem at heart, but intend to vote labour at the next general election to help get rid of this dreadful Tory government. But, the lib-dems have traditionally always done well here in the south west, so maybe they have a better chance of achieving this aim.
I'm thinking it over and will decide next year.

I'm certain that Labour will win the next election. No doubt about it. I'll eat my hat off they don't etc etc

However as far as the EU is concerned I don't share the optimism that youngsters care. We may see polls and research done pointing out that the timber generation are desperate to be part of the EU.

But in reality it's a fait accompli in their eyes. Brexit means very little. I work in a university and there is no passion for the EU. Its a fine deal in their eyes and they're more concerned with finding safe careers and worrying about rents/mortgages etc etc

I'm sure you will all have lots of anecdotal evidence suggesting in wrong but time will tell.

Labour will not be taking us back into the EU

And I was a Remainer. But what's done is done and this is a mere blip and we'll be OK.

I too agree. WE need to get rid the Tories in order to restore some hope to the poorer amongst us.

QuoteHousePlantQueen, ditto! I'd love to vote Green but it's vital, right now, to get the Tories out.

I shall vote tactically for whichever candidate has the best chance of getting rid of the most corrupt administration this country has ever suffered.

No, they won’t have the chance to make that mistake again, there won’t be another referendum now that politicians see how it divides people.
It happened and will work as time goes on.Nobody I know even mentions it anymore tbh Covid came along and that took over as a worry and now most of us just enjoy getting on with our lives.

Dinahmo

Freya5

Riverwalk

Well, we are out of the EU, like it or not... thanks to the Tory Party. So it has to work and I expect that Labour will make a better fist of it than any other party.

Whatever Labour do, for good or evil, it can be assured that they will not inflict on us FIVE, yes FIVE prime ministers in seven years, nor will they inflict on us TEN, yes TEN education secretaries in 13 years.

It's like a banana republic.

So if Labour were in power,they would have ignored the wishes of 17 million plus voters. Really. Don't forget they could have won instead of Boris,if a they didn't have Corbyn and his communist henchmen, Momentum , running for pm. Not even my long life Labour voting town wanted him in charge.

It's not the wishes of 17,411 million, it's the wishes of about 1.270 because the remain voters (16141 million) cancel out most of the leave voters.

Indeed- and that was then. by now, the clear majority would vote against now they know the truth and reality. Add to that simple demographics- a lot of the oldied who voted for Brexit are no longer with us, younsters who could not vote, are very clear about their intentions- and those who could have voted but didn't- will not make the same mistake again.

How can we continue to defer to the stupid people who voted Leave?

I am not saying all Leave voters are stupid, but it is pretty clear that nearly all the stupid people voted Leave - like the woman who voted Leave because her sister told her there were too many Somaslis in Bristol or the man who admitted he knew nothing about the EU but had watched the Eurovision Song Contest and was annoyed that "these bloody foreigners didn't vote for us " so he thought "I'll show them - I'll vote Leave"

These are just two of the people who explained to me ((I'm not making this up) why they voted Leave.

Freya5

Riverwalk

Well, we are out of the EU, like it or not... thanks to the Tory Party. So it has to work and I expect that Labour will make a better fist of it than any other party.

Whatever Labour do, for good or evil, it can be assured that they will not inflict on us FIVE, yes FIVE prime ministers in seven years, nor will they inflict on us TEN, yes TEN education secretaries in 13 years.

It's like a banana republic.

So if Labour were in power,they would have ignored the wishes of 17 million plus voters. Really. Don't forget they could have won instead of Boris,if a they didn't have Corbyn and his communist henchmen, Momentum , running for pm. Not even my long life Labour voting town wanted him in charge.

It's not the wishes of 17,411 million, it's the wishes of about 1.270 because the remain voters (16141 million) cancel out most of the leave voters.

What ever Labour might have done if they had gained power in 2019 is really quite irrelevant, but what is absurd is the belief that we must be bound by the dead hand of a 7 year old majority in an advisory referendum.

Literally the dead hand as since then, in England and Wales, which provided the majority, well over a million of the demographic with not only the highest turnout, but also the highest percentage of Leave votes, the 60+ age group, has since died and polling evidence shows that the upcoming generations have no appetite for Brexit.

Riverwalk

Well, we are out of the EU, like it or not... thanks to the Tory Party. So it has to work and I expect that Labour will make a better fist of it than any other party.

Whatever Labour do, for good or evil, it can be assured that they will not inflict on us FIVE, yes FIVE prime ministers in seven years, nor will they inflict on us TEN, yes TEN education secretaries in 13 years.

It's like a banana republic.

So if Labour were in power,they would have ignored the wishes of 17 million plus voters. Really. Don't forget they could have won instead of Boris,if a they didn't have Corbyn and his communist henchmen, Momentum , running for pm. Not even my long life Labour voting town wanted him in charge.

Nothing could be worse than another five years of Tory government mess (except another ten years) so I'm voting tactically to get them out.

It is a straight forward decision.

We have an absurd First Past The Post electoral system, which means that most of us vote negatively, against the party we most dislike, rather than positively for the party we support.

So if you live in a constituency where the Labour Party has the best chance of beating the Conservatives, vote Labour.

If you live in a constituency where the Liberal Democcrats have the best chance of beating the Conservatives, vote Liberal Democrat.

If you live in a constituency where the Greens have the best chance of beating the Conservatives, vote Green.

The thing is, even if you live in a Tory voting area which is unlikely to change, the other parties are allocated campaign money for the next election depending on how many votes they get. I only found this out when our family campaigned for the LibDems in our area because of their stance on rejoining the EU. So, no vote is a wasted vote. I would never eg vote Green if I lived in a constituency where either Labour or the LibDems could overturn a Tory vote but, if there was no chance of that my vote would be supporting them in the future.

I will boye for whoever is most likely to get this bunch out!
We have a very Tory area here. I won't hold my breath.
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I am not expecting to be living in the UK by then, but will still have a vote (and be a taxpayer) and I’m tempted to change my constituency before I go to somewhere that my vote may actually count- it won’t where I am now. If I did, I’d vote for whoever was most likely to beat the Tories.

If an election wis called tomorrow, with only the knowledge I have now, I’d genuinely find it hard that decide. I’d like to vote Labour, but am bitterly disappointed that they are unwilling to try to change the narrative on a number of key (to me) political issues, including child poverty and the EU.

There will be online information as we get close to the election, telling us the best "anything but Tory" vote in our area.

I fought long and hard for a people’s vote because I felt that referendum result was based on lies and misinformation ( which it was). And that, as more and more revelations are revealed about how instrumental Russia was in getting Trump elected I’m sure that it will be revealed at some point how involved they were with the referendum result. Having said that, in retrospect, it was still a democratic election and leave won albeit in only 2/4 countries 2/5 if we include Gibraltar. So I do now sadly think that we have to make it work and, to be honest, I don’t think that many of the people who voted leave will notice that we are gradually developing closer links with the EU, which we will do under Keir. I’m sure that Europe will find it easier to work with him. I’m sick of campaigning but come the election I’ll be putting my heart and soul into working towards getting a Labour government. My daughter is planning to go back into teaching now her children are older but she won’t do that if there’s still a Conservative government. I’m sure the LibDems will do well and they will work well with Labour. The two parties worked well together back in the day when I was far more politically active. Keir could easily have carried on working in the legal profession but, imo he entered politics to make this country a better place. Maybe I’m wrong and, if I am I’ll hold up my hands and say so but I’m going with my gut feeling.

The First Past the Post system hugely narrows the choice. So truly, and even more so this time, tactical voting will be essential. If you want any chance of a closer relationship with Europe, and not allow Tories in again, you will have to vote tactically, or will waste your vote.

Two things will seriously affect the outcome this time. Not turning up to vote or voting for minor parties who don't have a chance in your Constituency. Labour voters from the left wing of the party, who say they won't vote for Starmer - will hand all those votes to the Tories. How they can even begin to think that the Conservatives will be a better option than Keir Starmer, is just beyond me

I live in a constituency that has had a conservative MP since forever although until 2010 LD was the closest. I'll vote LD as I doubt they'll be enough ex tory voters who will switch to Lab. We have a great Green candidate, he's a local councillor, but he lost his deposit at the last GE.