How Should I / One Vote, especially in regards to The EU? 🗳️ 🇪🇺

Well!

Tbh if I had a choice and knew that my vote counted, I suspect that I would vote green. But as the only vote that would count to ensure the demise of the Tory government is Labour in my constituency I shall vote labour. But I definitely recommend voting tactically, we can see from the last by elections how effective it is.

With regard to policies - I think it is a question of wait and see.

I am holding my nose at the moment and hoping very much that Starmer is playing the long game and once in power will begin to attempt to rebuild all the services that the Tories have destroyed. That along with sorting out the tax system and redirecting wealth towards the very poor. At present I am alarmed at what I am hearing from Reeves, but again will hold my judgement.

But to my mind - nothing is more important than getting shot of this disastrous past decade where wages have stagnated at 2008 levels, productivity have ground to a halt, food bank use has risen year on year, nhs is on its knees, rivers/seas totally polluted, on and on the list goes.

The U.K. cannot survive another Tory term.

PS with regard to Europe - I think it is a question of suck it and see. We certainly can’t continue as we are but I think that there will be a benefit (absolute necessity) of working more closely and once businesses and the country begins to see the success from that- re-think exactly what we want.

The last point 😄 - just to say that all the parties will be working towards at the very least closer working with the EU to a greater or lesser extent, but I think that the Tories will find it most difficult because it is so fractured and the far right will put up an enormous fight with the assistance of Murdoch et al.

I suspect that for a lot of people, myself included, the choice of who I vote for at the next election will tend to be the candidate who is most likely to get the Tories out, or keep them out. That's not to say that I'm particularly impressed by any of the alternatives right now, but we most certainly can't go on like this.

I've voted in every G.E. since 1970, and I can honestly say that I don't remember a less impressive bunch of lightweights than this current crop of no-hopers, of whatever political persuasion. Depressing.

I will again vote tactically to get the Tories out. For a long time I've done that by voting Lib Dem even though I used to belong to the Labour Party; the Lib Dem candidate is very good, so no problem.
But now I really wouldn't want to vote Labour anyway, as I feel Keir Starmer is not a good leader, and that the party has lost its way under him.
My vote would ideally go to the Green Party, but that would risk letting the current waste of space Conservative MP in for another term, so Lib Dem it is.

And I would be in favour of re-joining the EU, or at least having a more effective alliance with it.

Any party except the Tory party!

Well, we are out of the EU, like it or not... thanks to the Tory Party. So it has to work and I expect that Labour will make a better fist of it than any other party.

Whatever Labour do, for good or evil, it can be assured that they will not inflict on us FIVE, yes FIVE prime ministers in seven years, nor will they inflict on us TEN, yes TEN education secretaries in 13 years.

It's like a banana republic.

What a well-framed question FannyCornforth.

My two pennyworths would start with your membership of the Labour Party. As a Party member, you are pledged to support the democratically elected party. So if you feel you can do that, I think you should.

However, the aim of your party at this point is to get elected. You may feel you have to vote tactically to do that. I feel that still supports your membership.

Those issues you talk about not agreeing on should really be for discussion within the party. Attacking your party from outside is not really very useful. I gave the analogy of the burning house and the firemen the other day. If you don't like the firemen you have, and insist on waiting for firemen who suit you better, your house could have burnt down. Equally, if you keep challenging your own party outside the areas the party puts aside for you to do so, e.g., conferences etc., you could destroy your own party.

Once your party is elected, you could review the situation and possibly change parties to support one that pushes harder at the smaller areas that interest you. This would be particularly relevant if we had a non-Tory government, but not a labour government with a large majority.

I'm in a red wall constituency that has never voted tory before. Voting for any other party than Labour would, for me, be a wasted vote as the main objective here will be to stop the tory candidate (who will be completely new to the constituency as our current tory MP has said he's not standing again in 2024) and the Lb Dems and Greens wouldn't have a chance of doing that.

I don't think that Labour's declared 'doing Brexit better' policy is really going to work.

I'm not a Labour Party member and am unhappy with its pledge-dropping. Of course no govt can spend money that it does not have but we are hearing too much from Rachel Reeve about promises that can't be delivered and the importance of growth - she's beginning to sound like Liz Truss.

If she and KS don't move away from talk of what they won't do and talk more positively about the reforms they plan to make there won't be much incentive to vote for them. They are right to back pedal (ho ho) on aggressive ulez schemes in areas that lack good, affordable, reliable public transport. I hope they will build in concessions for small businesses in urban areas.

I live in a constituency that has had a conservative MP since forever although until 2010 LD was the closest. I'll vote LD as I doubt they'll be enough ex tory voters who will switch to Lab. We have a great Green candidate, he's a local councillor, but he lost his deposit at the last GE.

The First Past the Post system hugely narrows the choice. So truly, and even more so this time, tactical voting will be essential. If you want any chance of a closer relationship with Europe, and not allow Tories in again, you will have to vote tactically, or will waste your vote.

Two things will seriously affect the outcome this time. Not turning up to vote or voting for minor parties who don't have a chance in your Constituency. Labour voters from the left wing of the party, who say they won't vote for Starmer - will hand all those votes to the Tories. How they can even begin to think that the Conservatives will be a better option than Keir Starmer, is just beyond me

I fought long and hard for a people’s vote because I felt that referendum result was based on lies and misinformation ( which it was). And that, as more and more revelations are revealed about how instrumental Russia was in getting Trump elected I’m sure that it will be revealed at some point how involved they were with the referendum result. Having said that, in retrospect, it was still a democratic election and leave won albeit in only 2/4 countries 2/5 if we include Gibraltar. So I do now sadly think that we have to make it work and, to be honest, I don’t think that many of the people who voted leave will notice that we are gradually developing closer links with the EU, which we will do under Keir. I’m sure that Europe will find it easier to work with him. I’m sick of campaigning but come the election I’ll be putting my heart and soul into working towards getting a Labour government. My daughter is planning to go back into teaching now her children are older but she won’t do that if there’s still a Conservative government. I’m sure the LibDems will do well and they will work well with Labour. The two parties worked well together back in the day when I was far more politically active. Keir could easily have carried on working in the legal profession but, imo he entered politics to make this country a better place. Maybe I’m wrong and, if I am I’ll hold up my hands and say so but I’m going with my gut feeling.

There will be online information as we get close to the election, telling us the best "anything but Tory" vote in our area.

I am not expecting to be living in the UK by then, but will still have a vote (and be a taxpayer) and I’m tempted to change my constituency before I go to somewhere that my vote may actually count- it won’t where I am now. If I did, I’d vote for whoever was most likely to beat the Tories.

If an election wis called tomorrow, with only the knowledge I have now, I’d genuinely find it hard that decide. I’d like to vote Labour, but am bitterly disappointed that they are unwilling to try to change the narrative on a number of key (to me) political issues, including child poverty and the EU.

I will boye for whoever is most likely to get this bunch out!
We have a very Tory area here. I won't hold my breath.
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The thing is, even if you live in a Tory voting area which is unlikely to change, the other parties are allocated campaign money for the next election depending on how many votes they get. I only found this out when our family campaigned for the LibDems in our area because of their stance on rejoining the EU. So, no vote is a wasted vote. I would never eg vote Green if I lived in a constituency where either Labour or the LibDems could overturn a Tory vote but, if there was no chance of that my vote would be supporting them in the future.

It is a straight forward decision.

We have an absurd First Past The Post electoral system, which means that most of us vote negatively, against the party we most dislike, rather than positively for the party we support.

So if you live in a constituency where the Labour Party has the best chance of beating the Conservatives, vote Labour.

If you live in a constituency where the Liberal Democcrats have the best chance of beating the Conservatives, vote Liberal Democrat.

If you live in a constituency where the Greens have the best chance of beating the Conservatives, vote Green.

Nothing could be worse than another five years of Tory government mess (except another ten years) so I'm voting tactically to get them out.

Riverwalk

Well, we are out of the EU, like it or not... thanks to the Tory Party. So it has to work and I expect that Labour will make a better fist of it than any other party.

Whatever Labour do, for good or evil, it can be assured that they will not inflict on us FIVE, yes FIVE prime ministers in seven years, nor will they inflict on us TEN, yes TEN education secretaries in 13 years.

It's like a banana republic.

So if Labour were in power,they would have ignored the wishes of 17 million plus voters. Really. Don't forget they could have won instead of Boris,if a they didn't have Corbyn and his communist henchmen, Momentum , running for pm. Not even my long life Labour voting town wanted him in charge.

What ever Labour might have done if they had gained power in 2019 is really quite irrelevant, but what is absurd is the belief that we must be bound by the dead hand of a 7 year old majority in an advisory referendum.

Literally the dead hand as since then, in England and Wales, which provided the majority, well over a million of the demographic with not only the highest turnout, but also the highest percentage of Leave votes, the 60+ age group, has since died and polling evidence shows that the upcoming generations have no appetite for Brexit.

Freya5

Riverwalk

Well, we are out of the EU, like it or not... thanks to the Tory Party. So it has to work and I expect that Labour will make a better fist of it than any other party.

Whatever Labour do, for good or evil, it can be assured that they will not inflict on us FIVE, yes FIVE prime ministers in seven years, nor will they inflict on us TEN, yes TEN education secretaries in 13 years.

It's like a banana republic.

So if Labour were in power,they would have ignored the wishes of 17 million plus voters. Really. Don't forget they could have won instead of Boris,if a they didn't have Corbyn and his communist henchmen, Momentum , running for pm. Not even my long life Labour voting town wanted him in charge.

It's not the wishes of 17,411 million, it's the wishes of about 1.270 because the remain voters (16141 million) cancel out most of the leave voters.

How can we continue to defer to the stupid people who voted Leave?

I am not saying all Leave voters are stupid, but it is pretty clear that nearly all the stupid people voted Leave - like the woman who voted Leave because her sister told her there were too many Somaslis in Bristol or the man who admitted he knew nothing about the EU but had watched the Eurovision Song Contest and was annoyed that "these bloody foreigners didn't vote for us " so he thought "I'll show them - I'll vote Leave"

These are just two of the people who explained to me ((I'm not making this up) why they voted Leave.