White Privilege - MET Police

Ok, I'm sure you're right. I'll shut up now, and you carry on. 🙂

🙂

Well we don't know if DL does have the wrong information yet do we, so why don't we just wait and see if there's any verifiable information forthcoming to the contrary.

There is no information to be had yet

Exactly VS.

A monumental waste of time now on this thread. Most think the woman was unwise to say the least, about refusing to show she had paid and kicking up a real fuss and one/ maybe two posters are seemingly outraged on her behalf. What else is there to say? Nothing.

If you were manhandled and screaming in pain with your oyster card in your hand, I'd be outraged at that too Oreo and want it investigated how you could be arrested with the ticket in plain sight

You didn’t see her get arrested VS. That’s conjecture on your part.

VioletSky

If you were manhandled and screaming in pain with your oyster card in your hand, I'd be outraged at that too Oreo and want it investigated how you could be arrested with the ticket in plain sight

If the Oyster card miraculously appeared when she was arrested, why didn’t she produce it when asked by the ticket inspector?

She could have said sorry I am looking for it and then proceeded to show it to the inspector.

Would have prevented all the following drama.

You’re getting too involved VioletSky IMO which may be leading you into false scenarios in this case.
I’m out of this now, it’s got boring.

Actually, this discussion will carry on interminably, because we haven’t run the whole gamut of what if it had been . . . yet.
Unless I’ve missed it, we’ve only had what if it had been an elderly lady so far, and of course in that, there is an implied rebuttal of the idea that an elderly lady would produce her ticket.

The fact is that, had any person of any age, creed, colour, nationality, etc. produced their ticket when asked to do so, this situation would not have arisen.
Equally, if any person refuses one or more times to produce evidence that has been asked for, the implication would be that they didn’t have that evidence and VS herself has made that judgement on this thread.

Next!

I don't think you are all getting the point

We don't traumatise children or forcibly restrain a mother who is trying to get to her weeping child for a ticket that can be plainly seen in her hand

Thats not ok, it's not justified

This happened a week after the MET promised to look into racism and misogyny in its own ranks

She has her responsibilities of course

So do the police

Mollygo

At no point have I denied that this woman should have shown her ticket. I've merely complained that she was manhandled after she tried too

I haven't manhandled Diamondlily with her evidence in her hand, she says she has no evidence to share for her statement and I've accepted that. I haven't implied anything apart from some sort of confusion either

When are you going to stop coming at me? It's just silly now

I think I might be the “possibly” second person mentioned above by Oreo and, yes, I share VioletSky’s misgivings about this case.

It’s a pity (and a surprise) there aren’t more of us who recognise that, in a scenario like this, there are more questions than answers. It’s a pity that so many are prepared to condemn this woman before we have those answers.

VS
Mollygo

When are you going to stop coming at me? It's just silly now.

There speaks VS, the person who pontificates about not personalising. 🤣🤣🤣

What you wrote
When are you going to stop coming at me? It's just silly now.
is just what I think when I read your posts, but you still keep posting, so why question my right to post?

Mollygo

I don't question your right to post but I don't understand why you address so
many of them to me when I do my best to avoid you

I don't get how you don't see how it makes you look either to constantly accuse me of saying or thinking things I haven't said and don't think...

And genuinely, why you have such an issue with me in general across gransnet

But I understand it is your problem not mine

VS
I can say exactly the same, so I will.
I don't question your right to post but I don't understand why you address so
many of them to me when I do my best to avoid you

I don't get how you don't see how it makes you look either to constantly accuse me of saying or thinking things I haven't said and don't think...

And genuinely, why you have such an issue with me in general across gransnet

But I understand it is your problem not mine.
Yes I truly understand that it is your problem. 🤣🤣

Ok

Oreo

You’re getting too involved VioletSky IMO which may be leading you into false scenarios in this case.
I’m out of this now, it’s got boring.

Oreo- we have NO information on how the whole event started and why she didn't immediately show her Oyster card- so who is leading us to 'false scenarios' here?

Delila, and me the 3rd.

If anyone just cannot understand the cumulative and repetitive effect of being questionned, doubted, asked for ID, etc, etc, etc - when you have grown up with darker skin, over a long period of time- then I do question their own 'agenda' when they insist on putting the blame on this young woman and just shouting 'she should have shown her, ticket- end of story'

End of story, is a very very long one- of prejudice and ignorance.

One of the heartbreaking facts of life for parents of black children is that they have to explain the reality of racism to them...

The same way parents of girls have to explain the reality of sexism and predatory men

Or parents of LGBTQ youth have that extra layer of worry

It absolutely breaks my heart that anyone has to parent differently due to any characteristic but it's the reality in so many situations

Now that's a type of education children should never have to have

The strange thing is, when you’re shouting racism here is that, had it been a white woman who hadn’t shown her ticket when asked three times, resulting in the police involved and thrown a tantrum, upsetting her son, the criticisms would mostly have been about people wasting police time.
And before you deny that, my brother, who’s in the police force has seen it happen. Think about the critics on here who demand the police do something about Stop Oil protestors -do they only arrest anyone who isn’t white? She should have shown her ticket, regardless of colour or creed. She should have set a good example to her son.
How does refusing to show her ticket and creating a scene reflect on the impression of coloured people? Thousands of people, of whatever colour prefer to give a good impression of their race.
The cumulative and repetitive effect of being questionned, doubted, etc, is one of the negative aspects of our society, but are you saying that it will be helped by somebody refusing to do something that they could fly easily have done?

Indeed- and the refusal to see that, to acknowledge it- shows the 'agenda' of those people.

I have a good friend who is white, of white parents, grand-parents, and forever- her daughter is white- but her child is mixed race. And until he was 5, he was the cutest ever ... and people were cooing at him non stop. And then over the years, she saw the change in peoples' reaction to him- as he got to be a teenager, he slowly became 'a possible suspect' the one to ask to justify, check, control ...The most difficult experience of her life - to see the attitude change, despite the fact he was intelligent, succesful at school, caring and polite ...

I remember one gran here saying more or less the same. And if a child is ADHT or 'on the spectrum' multiply this by 100 - or more.

My autistic daughter had a meltdown once, we didn't know why at the time but now we know, too many people, too overstimulated, sensory overload.

She was beautiful as a child (still is)

One hour earlier I had older women cooing at her then after a meltdown, older women telling me they would have smacked that behaviour out of her. She was 3 and she heard these women say that.

I will never forget it

People are quick to judge and unconscious bias exists everywhere

Unconscious bias is bad enough but we also have massive amounts of evidence that actual discrimination exists in this country

When racism has ended and people no longer have to tech their children about conscious and unconscious bias... Then we can say, this wasn't it and be *sure"

FYI, I would be equally outraged had a white mother been in this situation that she were appallingly manhandled with a ticket in her hand...

We don't see that often thankfully, that's privilege at work

Surelybif it was TFL it should have been British Transport Police, not the MET

BTP only operate on trains, not buses.
i believe they are paid for by the train companies.