Just Stop Oil? At What Cost?

If you read it on Guido Fawkes, it’s probably untrue.

Even if, climate change will cost a lot more in the future, thankfully we won’t see the consequences.

Climate change is happening right now though. We will begin to see the consequences and our grandchildren will suffer.
Anniel:

'So Grans what should be done about this group?'

You assume we all agree? How odd! I'm right with any campaigns that raise awareness - and that means causing disruption - as I'm not in the 'old biddy with head in the sand' crowd.

So, Grans, what should be done to save the planet?

Crochet Bliss I just checked. BBC states that Matt Twist declared that these demonstrations had cost £7.7 million since April. This is an extremely large amount of money that the country cannot afford! In this case Guido was correct.

I know - lock them all up - that will stop the climate crisis. Maybe if the government were actually doing something positive to tackle the man made pollution in our oceans and environment there wouldn’t be so many protests.

Maybe if old fashioned scientific methods were in place, we would not be in such a mess. Science used to mean a rigorous method of investigation, testing and proof. It doesn’t involve gluing activists to roads and stopping cricket matches.
Ask anyone who studies climate in a great depth and it’s obvious that it takes years to understand a fraction of what is happening. I wish climate activists could be channelled away from glue and into the laboratory.

I am not a member of the 'old biddy with head in the sand' crowd.

How extremely patronising.
People, even women, are aware of, and concerned about, climate change through what they see on screen, read in newspapers and hear on the news. They are not impressed by sanctimonious activists who draw attention to themselves, not their cause, by their anti-social behaviour.
Volunteering to drive buses in rural areas where residents are almost totally dependent on cars would be a start.

Volunteering to drive busses would definitely stop the climate crisis. What we do as individuals is a drop in the plastic filled boiling ocean. It needs serious governmental action to limit and stop the burning of fossil fuels , ban the use of unnecessary single use plastics, protect wildlife habitats, control industrial and agricultural pollution etc etc

They are just pointless stunts by extremist lunatics, we are NOT going to stop oil any time soon.
Those who support their actions are just as responsible, and should be treated with the same contempt, they should just remember our entire food supply depends on tractors, trucks and other machinery running on oil.

Have we all written to our MPs? How many times? We desperately need strong government action, now, to slow down climate change.

We cannot stop it - so, living on a dying planet is the future we leave for our grandchildren. Proud? - No - but we can, at least, set a good example and talk to them about it. We can apologise.

Drive a bus? Hilarious - I don't have a licence, never did! Still, individual action does make a tiny difference, (but no, not enough).

Easybee and everyone - what do you do to make a difference? (Some seem to believe that recycling is quite enough (to damp down those guilty feelings, that is)).

What do I do?

I don't eat meat, I don't drive (funny thing is - I have these legs - so I can walk, cycle or use public transport).

I rarely travel by air or need to buy anything new.

I have solar panels and produce far more than I use - feeding it back to the grid.

I support local groups campaigning for cleaner air.

Not much, but a little - that's what I do. What about you?

Katie59 - Weird - I'd put you as the 'extremist lunatic' category!

It is a cop out to say What we do as individuals is a drop in the plastic filled boiling ocean.

What we do as individuals amounts to an enormous amount . The more people who do something, the more is done and the more pressure there is on government to do things

It is being reported that Rishi Sunak wants to roll back a whole lot of green and environment issues as a way of gathering more votes in the next election. If he carries that plan ahead and if it is successful, then it will show just how important every individual vote will be.

Remember the lyrics to the Bing Crosby song 'High Hopes

Just what makes that little old ant
Think he'll move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant, can't
Move a rubber tree plant

But he's got high hopes, he's got high hopes
He's got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time your gettin' low
'stead of lettin' go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant

Hetty58 public transport if including the London Underground is ten times more polluting than road traffic. You couldn’t make it up!

ronib - evidence? It's not just one person using it - and it's rapidly changing over to (what they call) 'greener' fuels. Household heating and air conditioning are huge offenders too. Our worst enemy is ourselves - so many unwilling to change their convenient, comfortable habits, whatever the consequences - and carry on regardless.

M0nica, yes, I'm that little old ant!

For the head in sand (fingers in ears?) - and carry on regardless group, my two penneth:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein

Hetty8 evidence - senior engineer at London Underground.
I think our worst enemy is China. But I agree with you - also the cost of energy is so high now that heating and air conditioning will be less used I guess.

Don’t point the finger at China and India, the USA is up there in biggest polluters btw. We are enabling their pollution by buying all their cheap tat. It’s hard to buy anything that’s not made in China these days so we must look to ourselves and not merely blame others

ronib

Hetty8 evidence - senior engineer at London Underground.
I think our worst enemy is China. But I agree with you - also the cost of energy is so high now that heating and air conditioning will be less used I guess.

Link?

'senior engineer at London Underground' is a bit of a vague source...

Oh well vegansrock it makes sense to use refillable food shops and locally sourced food plus buy less, buy second hand? Don’t buy from major polluting countries?
Although even refillable shops source products from all over the world ….

Hetty there are no greener fuels available that are available to use and won’t be for many decades, 90%+ of the energy you personally use comes from fossil fuels.
We all want to use less fossil fuel, even the small quantity of renewable energy we use currently comes at high cost, maybe in the next century we will not be dependant on fossil fuels.
If we reach net zero in 2050 we will still import food and goods produced with fossil fuels

Katie59

They are just pointless stunts by extremist lunatics, we are NOT going to stop oil any time soon.
Those who support their actions are just as responsible, and should be treated with the same contempt, they should just remember our entire food supply depends on tractors, trucks and other machinery running on oil.

What a hysterical reaction.

I doubt that anyone has the intention of immediately cutting off oil supplies for essential use. But the emphasis is on essential use. We need to be thinking war time strategies at the very least.

We need some leadership, too, that's prepared to take climate change seriously and treat it as the emergency it has clearly become.

MaizieD just google pollution on London Underground. Won’t detail my source! But he is very knowledgeable, truthful, competent… academic etc etc.

vegansrock

Don’t point the finger at China and India, the USA is up there in biggest polluters btw. We are enabling their pollution by buying all their cheap tat. It’s hard to buy anything that’s not made in China these days so we must look to ourselves and not merely blame others

Germany too their industrial prosperity is based on coal despite their green credentials
If the US develops their industrial capacity to reduce dependance on China they will become the biggest polluter

MaizieD

Katie59

They are just pointless stunts by extremist lunatics, we are NOT going to stop oil any time soon.
Those who support their actions are just as responsible, and should be treated with the same contempt, they should just remember our entire food supply depends on tractors, trucks and other machinery running on oil.

What a hysterical reaction.

I doubt that anyone has the intention of immediately cutting off oil supplies for essential use. But the emphasis is on essential use. We need to be thinking war time strategies at the very least.

We need some leadership, too, that's prepared to take climate change seriously and treat it as the emergency it has clearly become.

Not hysterical I am supporting the progressive action that the UK government is taking reaching net zero, that is going to be a very difficult goal to achieve. Even then we will still be exporting our pollution by importing much of our needs, many in the UK are struggling to make ends meet and I don’t want extra cost to be imposed in addition.

So if you think supporting the UK policy is hysterical, you should look at your own opinions.

There was a program on at 8pm BBC1 last night all about electric and hydrogen powered vehicles, very interesting.