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Just Stop Oil? At What Cost?

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Hetty58 Wed 26-Jul-23 07:26:52

M0nica, yes, I'm that little old ant!

For the head in sand (fingers in ears?) - and carry on regardless group, my two penneth:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein

Hetty58 Wed 26-Jul-23 07:20:04

ronib - evidence? It's not just one person using it - and it's rapidly changing over to (what they call) 'greener' fuels. Household heating and air conditioning are huge offenders too. Our worst enemy is ourselves - so many unwilling to change their convenient, comfortable habits, whatever the consequences - and carry on regardless.

ronib Wed 26-Jul-23 07:14:04

Hetty58 public transport if including the London Underground is ten times more polluting than road traffic. You couldn’t make it up!

M0nica Wed 26-Jul-23 07:11:02

It is a cop out to say What we do as individuals is a drop in the plastic filled boiling ocean.

What we do as individuals amounts to an enormous amount . The more people who do something, the more is done and the more pressure there is on government to do things

It is being reported that Rishi Sunak wants to roll back a whole lot of green and environment issues as a way of gathering more votes in the next election. If he carries that plan ahead and if it is successful, then it will show just how important every individual vote will be.

Remember the lyrics to the Bing Crosby song 'High Hopes

Just what makes that little old ant
Think he'll move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant, can't
Move a rubber tree plant

But he's got high hopes, he's got high hopes
He's got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time your gettin' low
'stead of lettin' go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant

Hetty58 Wed 26-Jul-23 07:09:34

Katie59 - Weird - I'd put you as the 'extremist lunatic' category!

Hetty58 Wed 26-Jul-23 07:07:32

Have we all written to our MPs? How many times? We desperately need strong government action, now, to slow down climate change.

We cannot stop it - so, living on a dying planet is the future we leave for our grandchildren. Proud? - No - but we can, at least, set a good example and talk to them about it. We can apologise.

Drive a bus? Hilarious - I don't have a licence, never did! Still, individual action does make a tiny difference, (but no, not enough).

Easybee and everyone - what do you do to make a difference? (Some seem to believe that recycling is quite enough (to damp down those guilty feelings, that is)).

What do I do?

I don't eat meat, I don't drive (funny thing is - I have these legs - so I can walk, cycle or use public transport).

I rarely travel by air or need to buy anything new.

I have solar panels and produce far more than I use - feeding it back to the grid.

I support local groups campaigning for cleaner air.

Not much, but a little - that's what I do. What about you?

Katie59 Wed 26-Jul-23 07:03:09

They are just pointless stunts by extremist lunatics, we are NOT going to stop oil any time soon.
Those who support their actions are just as responsible, and should be treated with the same contempt, they should just remember our entire food supply depends on tractors, trucks and other machinery running on oil.

vegansrock Wed 26-Jul-23 06:20:03

Volunteering to drive busses would definitely stop the climate crisis. What we do as individuals is a drop in the plastic filled boiling ocean. It needs serious governmental action to limit and stop the burning of fossil fuels , ban the use of unnecessary single use plastics, protect wildlife habitats, control industrial and agricultural pollution etc etc

eazybee Wed 26-Jul-23 06:14:58

I am not a member of the 'old biddy with head in the sand' crowd.

How extremely patronising.
People, even women, are aware of, and concerned about, climate change through what they see on screen, read in newspapers and hear on the news. They are not impressed by sanctimonious activists who draw attention to themselves, not their cause, by their anti-social behaviour.
Volunteering to drive buses in rural areas where residents are almost totally dependent on cars would be a start.

ronib Wed 26-Jul-23 05:36:15

Maybe if old fashioned scientific methods were in place, we would not be in such a mess. Science used to mean a rigorous method of investigation, testing and proof. It doesn’t involve gluing activists to roads and stopping cricket matches.
Ask anyone who studies climate in a great depth and it’s obvious that it takes years to understand a fraction of what is happening. I wish climate activists could be channelled away from glue and into the laboratory.

vegansrock Wed 26-Jul-23 03:58:41

I know - lock them all up - that will stop the climate crisis. Maybe if the government were actually doing something positive to tackle the man made pollution in our oceans and environment there wouldn’t be so many protests.

Anniel Wed 26-Jul-23 02:49:11

Crochet Bliss I just checked. BBC states that Matt Twist declared that these demonstrations had cost £7.7 million since April. This is an extremely large amount of money that the country cannot afford! In this case Guido was correct.

Hetty58 Tue 25-Jul-23 23:16:04

Climate change is happening right now though. We will begin to see the consequences and our grandchildren will suffer.
Anniel:

'So Grans what should be done about this group?'

You assume we all agree? How odd! I'm right with any campaigns that raise awareness - and that means causing disruption - as I'm not in the 'old biddy with head in the sand' crowd.

So, Grans, what should be done to save the planet?

CrochetBliss Tue 25-Jul-23 23:01:47

If you read it on Guido Fawkes, it’s probably untrue.

Even if, climate change will cost a lot more in the future, thankfully we won’t see the consequences.

Anniel Tue 25-Jul-23 22:59:32

I read this piece in Guido Fawkes ( you may have your own opinion on this site )

Just Stop Oil’s protests have cost the taxpayer more than £7.7 million in Met Police funding over the last 13 weeks, with 150 officers a day having to respond to their pointless stunts. Met Assistant Commissioner Matt Twist revealed the equivalent of a whopping 23,500 officer shifts had been wasted on attending to the eco-loons – even though the officers have often just stood around idly as the unwashed tribe glue themselves to the road…
Twist told LBC:
“…When you get into deliberately causing serious disruption to the public of London, stopping people from going about their daily business, disrupting people from going to work or hospital or taking their children to school then that tips over into crime… One of the challenges we have with Just Stop Oil is they don’t tell us where they’re going to protest, they don’t tell us when they’re going to take action.”
£7.7 million could pay the salaries of around 200 officers…

So Grans what should be done about this group?