Why do national populists attack their countries old and respected institutions?

What I would say in Johnson’s defence is that I think he is more of a libertarian with populist tendencies. I do not see him as an authoritarian populist.

Nigel Farage is not 'attacking elitist banks', he is defending himself against untrue and unjust accusations, and in so doing has exposed malpractice of which many were unaware.

eazybee

Nigel Farage is not 'attacking elitist banks', he is defending himself against untrue and unjust accusations, and in so doing has exposed malpractice of which many were unaware.

I’m quoting Farage - that is not my opinion.

It’s about power and influence, for example Johnson was undecided wether to back Brexit, then committed to leaving EU because it was his best bet for power regardless of any truth.

Trump, the same he homed in on migration and the “great big wall” which was very popular with right wingers.

I don’t see Sunak or Starmer as being populist

Nigel Farage may well have made a speech in 2016 regarding attacking elitist institutions but cannot see the relevance with the current situation at Coutts and Nat West.

Dame Alison Rose, broke many banking protocols and customer confidentiality when she discussed NF’s banking situation with a BBC employee. Consequently she and two other board members have resigned.

NF has exposed debanking , Martin Lewis is in record as saying that many thousands of U.K. citizens have been debanked and not been informed of the reasons.

I am totally behind NF on this, which is surprising as I have never been a fan of the man up till now.

Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu are both on sticky wickets as far as I am concerned, if found guilty they should not be allowed to stand for office. But as I am not a citizen of either countries it’s down to those that are eligible to vote to make the decision.

I wish I understood Israeli politics, it’s all beyond me.

But thank you for your explanation, although brief, Whitewave.

I hope you’re wrong about the USA and Trump.

I agree with GrannyGravy re the Farage situation. This situation has dropped into his lap from people who should have known better. They were too arrogant for their own good and have paid the price.

GrannyGravy13

Nigel Farage may well have made a speech in 2016 regarding attacking elitist institutions but cannot see the relevance with the current situation at Coutts and Nat West.

Dame Alison Rose, broke many banking protocols and customer confidentiality when she discussed NF’s banking situation with a BBC employee. Consequently she and two other board members have resigned.

NF has exposed debanking , Martin Lewis is in record as saying that many thousands of U.K. citizens have been debanked and not been informed of the reasons.

I am totally behind NF on this, which is surprising as I have never been a fan of the man up till now.

Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu are both on sticky wickets as far as I am concerned, if found guilty they should not be allowed to stand for office. But as I am not a citizen of either countries it’s down to those that are eligible to vote to make the decision.

The problem as far as Netanyahu and Trump is concerned will be for the entire world.

Netanyahu sits in a very volatile area of the world and unless someone like the USA can put pressure on him (quite frankly doubtful) he has a militarised country to hand with nuclear weapons.

What happens regarding trump goes without saying.

As far as Farage is concerned, I think that rather without real cause, the Tories still see him as a threat - why? I have no idea, and they will clearly cave in and act before thinking things through, just as Cameron did.

But what I very much hope is that if Labour wins the next election, Farage will disappear as he will have no real platform on which to gain notoriety.

maddyone

But thank you for your explanation, although brief, Whitewave.

Yes I am a bit rushed as going out in a minute to hear daughter sing, so it isn’t very good, but other folk are welcome to add to it.

maddyone

I hope you’re wrong about the USA and Trump.

Go on then what do you reckon will happen?

So the op isn’t really about national populist but once again another attack on Nigel Farage
. Gina Miller has had her bank a/c closed for political reasons.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66328098

And there are people who are clapping their hands because a Brexit leader had a bank account shut. Now we have one who tried in court to get brexit stopped. 😂

With regards Netanyahu, he is intent on passing many laws that would not pass the reasonable test, particularly laws relating to Orthodox Jews etc and he is risking civil war imo.

MerylStreep

So the op isn’t really about national populist but once again another attack on Nigel Farage
. Gina Miller has had her bank a/c closed for political reasons.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66328098

And there are people who are clapping their hands because a Brexit leader had a bank account shut. Now we have one who tried in court to get brexit stopped. 😂

My opinion about Farage has never changed - the only good thing is that he has never had a sniff at Westminster, and I doubt that he ever will.

However, this is about a much wider issue - national populism, which is spreading throughout Europe. I am by instinct alarmed at the spread, and am interested in what is driving it.

eazybee

Nigel Farage is not 'attacking elitist banks', he is defending himself against untrue and unjust accusations, and in so doing has exposed malpractice of which many were unaware.

I think that this answers the OP’s question!

I don’t know what will happen Whitewave. I don’t really understand American politics either, despite getting frequent explanations from my son. I’m just hoping Trump will not get back into power.

ie The populists make the electorate believe that they’re working for them. Who they are actually working for I really don’t know. And, the ultimate result, in some cases will result in dictatorships. Which, strangely enough is probably what a lot of people want in that they don’t then have to bother themselves with political issues.

maddyone

I don’t know what will happen Whitewave. I don’t really understand American politics either, despite getting frequent explanations from my son. I’m just hoping Trump will not get back into power.

I second that, but honestly what I see and read does not fill me with confidence.

Whitewavemark2

With regards Netanyahu, he is intent on passing many laws that would not pass the reasonable test, particularly laws relating to Orthodox Jews etc and he is risking civil war imo.

Yes! I think that’s right. My Jewish friends who live in America (he is an Israeli citizen but she is not) seem to dislike the way things are going.
I’ve always wanted to visit Israel. My husband has always refused to go saying it’s not safe. The way things are going I’ll never get there. I would love to wander the old streets of Jerusalem.

Whitewavemark2 maybe, just maybe the electorate across the globe is becoming increasingly frustrated by old school politics and what they see as the ruling elite and are looking for something more

There isn’t anything more though is there?

Whoever is in government, and new people are running banks and conglomerates become the new elite and respected institutions (monarchy, judiciary etc) and the cycle begins over again.

MayBee70

ie The populists make the electorate believe that they’re working for them. Who they are actually working for I really don’t know. And, the ultimate result, in some cases will result in dictatorships. Which, strangely enough is probably what a lot of people want in that they don’t then have to bother themselves with political issues.

Themselves and cronies, they are certainly not democratic whatever they say, and you will find almost without fail that in every case the population has been successfully divided rather than working for the good of the entire country.

Look at Israel. Look at the USA, look at the U.K. and in every case there is more violence and hate.

MayBee70

ie The populists make the electorate believe that they’re working for them. Who they are actually working for I really don’t know. And, the ultimate result, in some cases will result in dictatorships. Which, strangely enough is probably what a lot of people want in that they don’t then have to bother themselves with political issues.

Just like Starmer then. Or any other politician for that matter. They all say what they think the population wants to hear, as soon as the power comes their way, anything but. Heard of communism, is they populist too. Left wing dictatorships abound around the world.

freya the term populism is used to describe a particular type of political stances which pitches the “people” against the “elite”. It is a form of divide and rule.

So yes a populist can be from either the left or right of the political spectrum, but no - not just like Starmer, and most Tory MPs.