Brexit Import controls delayed for the FOURTH TIME!

Norah

Out of interest, FP, apart from how one voted (and I was a remainer), what difference does any of this make now? We still buy all the Italian/German things we bought prior, we still ski -- I'm at a loss as to import issues.

If the government continue to mess up - and it was the Tories who called the referendum without any plan - then it is does matter now and in the future.

We also notice that the Tories are moving back towards freedom of movement a step at a time. First step for Sunak is towards what he calls the Youth Mobility Scheme. A by-lateral agreement that Labour and the EU are also keen on, and which can, if necessary, be organised country by country.

This is obviously not because the Tories want to give Britain's a chance to work abroad as we used to but to allow young Europeans to come and work in Britain to answer the problem in hospitality and many of the skilled, but lower skilled areas.

They know Brexit has made a terrible economic performance so much worse.

Haven’t been stuck in a long queue at any EU airport over the last 12 months, just told to use any lane, or the digital machine.

(Cyprus, Spain & Portugal)

In short, the EU is able to sell any old whatever, without any checks at all- and the Government is too scared to impose the promised checks because they have not done the necessary work, realise the bottle neck in Calais is impossible to solve, and they fear the backlash of the public if checks cause more empty shelves and essential shortages. It is a vast mess, which will affect us all.

Even the rich who can afford to go skiing- and will get stuck in the long queues, be it at the airports or Calais- and py much higher costs. But it is not about them ...

Fleurpepper

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

No reduction in our friends and family skiing in France/Austria this year. Or travelling to European countries and further afield for any holidays.

That is wonderful for you- but this is not about you, or me- but real statistics.

Like this one published this week

'Britons no longer the biggest group of foreign homebuyers in France
In 2015, Britons made 35% of all property purchases in France by foreign non-residents. Now, at 17%''

That is a huge drop. And yes, things are more difficultin Switzerland due to huge drop in value of Sterling as against the Swiss Franc. I personally know 3 couples who have had to sell up their holiday chalet due to the rise of costs, multiplied by the big loss in Sterling value.

But this is NOT the subject of this thread.

This is real, this is now.

For every anecdotal tale of woe I and many others can counteract them with a positive tale

I know several people who have bought property in Europe in the last year (Spain, France & Italy)

If you look for misery it will always find you.

Germanshepherdsmum

I buy some things direct from the EU, Germany in particular. No problems. Brexit is done, whether we like it or not. So what if Brits are spending less in the EU, if indeed that is the case - the OP hasn’t supplied any evidence of that. What does that matter to us in the UK? Why the histrionics?

That really surprises me Germanshepherdsmum, I’m finding it a real pain, the last pair of shoes I bought took almost two months to arrive.

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

No reduction in our friends and family skiing in France/Austria this year. Or travelling to European countries and further afield for any holidays.

That is wonderful for you- but this is not about you, or me- but real statistics.

Like this one published this week

'Britons no longer the biggest group of foreign homebuyers in France
In 2015, Britons made 35% of all property purchases in France by foreign non-residents. Now, at 17%''

That is a huge drop. And yes, things are more difficultin Switzerland due to huge drop in value of Sterling as against the Swiss Franc. I personally know 3 couples who have had to sell up their holiday chalet due to the rise of costs, multiplied by the big loss in Sterling value.

But this is NOT the subject of this thread.

This is real, this is now.

GrannyGravy13

No reduction in our friends and family skiing in France/Austria this year. Or travelling to European countries and further afield for any holidays.

Same for us and our family. No differences noted in Germany, Austria, Italy - the places where we've always gone and enjoyed.

Also Portugal, I believe our daughter said it's even more reasonable.

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

No reduction in our friends and family skiing in France/Austria this year. Or travelling to European countries and further afield for any holidays.

That is wonderful for you- but this is not about you, or me- but real statistics.

Aah but there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.

Thus spake Jacob Rees-Mogg some years ago now during an interview with Channel 4 (I think it was C4).

The 'deal' was never going to live up to the rallying cry, IMO.

What matters now is how the government or any future government deals with the after-effects. We have got to get to grips with them so that businesses and the economy can function in the interests of the nation, as a whole.

And, so far, not so good.

GrannyGravy13

No reduction in our friends and family skiing in France/Austria this year. Or travelling to European countries and further afield for any holidays.

That is wonderful for you- but this is not about you, or me- but real statistics.

No reduction in our friends and family skiing in France/Austria this year. Or travelling to European countries and further afield for any holidays.

I buy some things direct from the EU, Germany in particular. No problems. Brexit is done, whether we like it or not. So what if Brits are spending less in the EU, if indeed that is the case - the OP hasn’t supplied any evidence of that. What does that matter to us in the UK? Why the histrionics?

Fleurpepper I am not qualified to comment on all the other stuff, but this I would dispute. The number of Brits spending money in Europe is falling all the time. Certainly, in France this is not the case. The INSEE notes that tourism in France has been boosted by a large increase in visitors from the UK. Overnight stays by British tourists rose 102.5%, compared to an increase of 41.7% for Germans, 9.7% for Dutch, and 62.3% for Americans. All these Brits are staying in hotels in France and spending on food, trips, and entertainment.
These figures do not include the 1000s of Brits staying on campsites, and from what DD2 told me last week their campsite in Brittany was packed with other British families. As was the ferry.

Fleurpepper

Norah

Out of interest, FP, apart from how one voted (and I was a remainer), what difference does any of this make now? We still buy all the Italian/German things we bought prior, we still ski -- I'm at a loss as to import issues.

The number of Brits spending money in Europe is falling all the time. As for skiing, numbers of Brits are massively down- first Covid, but now, exchange rates, added to cost of living crisis, cost of petrol and energy.

Sterling has lost massively against the Swiss Franc, and only the very rich can afford to come. And of course massive shortage of staff in resorts, as young Brits cannot come anymore to work. Exporting goods which are produced in a very high currency economy, would have to be sold at extortionate prices in Sterling. Export and imports are very complex issues.

Thank you for answering and laying in Swiss pricing.

German and Italian purchases seem to be priced fairly normally, considering world inflation. We typically ski Germany and Austria. I don't recall seeing a massive uptick in prices, I'll look to my records.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have an interest in the law because it was my career for over 40 years wwm. I answer legal questions and legal matters raised here, where I can. I don’t start threads about it.

There is no obsession with where you live Fleurpepper. We know where you live and it’s neither the UK nor the EU, which
to me makes your intense interest in Brexit and the many threads you start about it puzzling. I live in the UK, as do the majority of my family, and we were all remainers - but it is as DAR says, a dead duck. We have more interesting things to talk about (and yes, sometimes that’s the law because that’s the profession a number of us chose).

She and her husband devoted their working lives to this country. And her children and grandchildren live here. She has every right to care about what’s happening to it imo. We’re still suffering from the repercussions of Brexit and I fully intend to continue to question what we have gained from it.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have an interest in the law because it was my career for over 40 years wwm. I answer legal questions and legal matters raised here, where I can. I don’t start threads about it.

There is no obsession with where you live Fleurpepper. We know where you live and it’s neither the UK nor the EU, which
to me makes your intense interest in Brexit and the many threads you start about it puzzling. I live in the UK, as do the majority of my family, and we were all remainers - but it is as DAR says, a dead duck. We have more interesting things to talk about (and yes, sometimes that’s the law because that’s the profession a number of us chose).

I have an interest in Great Britain because is was my home for over 40 years

where I worked, had my children and raised them- where they still are. And where 100% of my income comes from, and where we still pay taxes. How can this not be enough for you.

Norah

Out of interest, FP, apart from how one voted (and I was a remainer), what difference does any of this make now? We still buy all the Italian/German things we bought prior, we still ski -- I'm at a loss as to import issues.

The number of Brits spending money in Europe is falling all the time. As for skiing, numbers of Brits are massively down- first Covid, but now, exchange rates, added to cost of living crisis, cost of petrol and energy.

Sterling has lost massively against the Swiss Franc, and only the very rich can afford to come. And of course massive shortage of staff in resorts, as young Brits cannot come anymore to work. Exporting goods which are produced in a very high currency economy, would have to be sold at extortionate prices in Sterling. Export and imports are very complex issues.

For the moment, yes, EU exporters can bring anything they want to UK, without checks- which is very worrying. However, they have had to prepare, again and again- for checks required by Brexit. It has cost them money, time, effort - and they still have not got a clue if it will happen in just a few weeks time- or as seems to be, will be yet again, cancelled.

But the messing around, the queues, the extra costs, are putting them off- and will probably deter them totally if and when the checks are implemented. Which is why they keep being cancelled ... How is that for taking control back.

We have no idea how much unsafe product is coming in, or unsafe electrical goods, etc.

Why do you keep mentionning where I live, again and again- after any comment on the consequences of Brexit- if it is not an 'obsession'. Facts are facts- and they affect me and mine deeply, and my country. It's not about me, or where I live- totally irrelevant. Comment on the facts- not on me or where I live.

Norah

Out of interest, FP, apart from how one voted (and I was a remainer), what difference does any of this make now? We still buy all the Italian/German things we bought prior, we still ski -- I'm at a loss as to import issues.

Do you buy them directly from the country in Europe though Norah, as in my experience that’s when there seem to be problems? Buying European goods that have been imported into the UK is okay, but it’s much slower and more expensive to buy directly, and I’ve found a few manufacturers just won’t send things to the UK, because it’s too much hassle for them.

Out of interest, FP, apart from how one voted (and I was a remainer), what difference does any of this make now? We still buy all the Italian/German things we bought prior, we still ski -- I'm at a loss as to import issues.

*GSM. Nailed it

I have an interest in the law because it was my career for over 40 years wwm. I answer legal questions and legal matters raised here, where I can. I don’t start threads about it.

There is no obsession with where you live Fleurpepper. We know where you live and it’s neither the UK nor the EU, which
to me makes your intense interest in Brexit and the many threads you start about it puzzling. I live in the UK, as do the majority of my family, and we were all remainers - but it is as DAR says, a dead duck. We have more interesting things to talk about (and yes, sometimes that’s the law because that’s the profession a number of us chose).

Indeed WWm2. This obsession some have with where I live currently, is beyond belief. I am British, my OH is British, so are my children, grandchildren, sils and bils, and so many more. Totally dependent on our UK pensions, and still tax payers in the UK having worked very hard all our adult life in UK.

So no, I will not be told that it has little or nothing to do with me/us. This is just plain 'bullying' and personal attack, yet again.

I think that there is absolutely no question that Brexit is dead.

The question is, where do we go from here?

I think the first thing is to begin an education programme for the voter, in order that everyone understands when decisions are made relating perhaps to closer working, greater immigration etc.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree wwm, but the OP has something of a Brexit obsession.

You post a lot about the law, that. Presumably that is your interest, and I’m fine with that, I would not be so rude to call it an obsession.

FB has always been keenly interested in Brexit, and I’m fine with that.

If I am not interested in your posts about the law, I don’t read them.

Perhaps you could be be so kind to do the same with FBs posts?