Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

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gg13 Yes I agree, and once the home office has a change of leadership with a change of ideology, it will be achieved with some speed, but until then this issue will continue to cost us dearly, both in terms of money and humanity, division and hatred. It needs to stop, it is not who we are.

Haha you really believe that, well yes I suppose 100,000 since 2018 seems a lot but if Labour get in the sky's the limit, multiple 100,000 x 100

GrannyGravy13

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So the xenophobic pantomime continues to cost us more and more money.

Now there is Legionnaires disease in the water, so the men are being shoved off somewhere whilst this is dealt with.

They can’t just be left to their own devices until such time they are fully checked and given leave to stay.

It’s not ideal but I think the authorities should know who wishes to live here, why they wish to live here and how they intend to support themselves, not unreasonable.

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Or do we put them in tents in the street like Italy does? We do treat migrants with some respect and dignity here, unlike some other countries.
If Legionnaire Disease has been found in the showers or elsewhere it will be dealt with, it’s in many hotels from time to time, even good ones.

MOnica So many fascist governments start when the government subverts itspopulation and encourages them to see other people as sub-species, to be treated with contempt.

Germanshepherdsmum Most of us are able to think for ourselves and don’t rely on the government in that regard.

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Even getting rid of the xenophobic right wing of the Tory party would make a massive difference.

You can no doubt think of dozens of traditional Tories who would deal with this in such a different way. You are simply unlucky that your party had been taken over by such dreadful right wingers.

If I was a Tory I would pray really hard that people like Rory Stewart, became once again the face of the Tories. Labour would have their work cut out if Stewart and his fellow thinkers came to the fore.

That post was to gg13 btw.

Labour may or not speed up the applications for asylum, we won’t know until it happens, one thing for sure this matter will continue to be one big headache for Keir Starmer just as it is for Rishi Sunak. Half the world is on the move now that they’ve discovered they can and any politician here that stops the small boats carrying mainly economic migrants will get a standing ovation.

I do hope that people start to be a lot more critical when they read or hear politicians like Lee Anderson. He is a deeply unpleasant man who is trying to create a name for himself by pretending to voice the opinions of the reasonable man or woman. Thankfully, he doesn't. I believe that most people, if given the real facts of a situation will always come down on the side of fairness and humanity. Just for the record, those who say asylum seekers are getting free NHS care are not correct. The govt assesses the cost of potential health for unprocessed migrants and takes that money from the overseas aid budget, so effectively the cost of their care is covered and does not constitute an extra cost to the tax payer. fwiw Jenrick has admitted that it was govt policy to delay the processing of claims so this mess is squarely at the door of number 10!

Oreo

Labour may or not speed up the applications for asylum, we won’t know until it happens, one thing for sure this matter will continue to be one big headache for Keir Starmer just as it is for Rishi Sunak. Half the world is on the move now that they’ve discovered they can and any politician here that stops the small boats carrying mainly economic migrants will get a standing ovation.

No wrong - the boats are carrying mainly asylum seekers who are subsequently given refugee status.

Oreo

Labour may or not speed up the applications for asylum, we won’t know until it happens, one thing for sure this matter will continue to be one big headache for Keir Starmer just as it is for Rishi Sunak. Half the world is on the move now that they’ve discovered they can and any politician here that stops the small boats carrying mainly economic migrants will get a standing ovation.

We do know they will speed up processing of applications, they have already laid that out. They also plan to set up an assessment centre in France, and people whose applications for asylum will be unsuccessful will be told before they spend their money coming to UK. You’re right that it will be a massive headache, not least because there’s a huge backlog which will take several years to process.

The Tories should ditch Anderson. He's a liability. Unless of course the Tories think appeals to knuckledraggers will get them re-elected.1

Casdon

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Labour may or not speed up the applications for asylum, we won’t know until it happens, one thing for sure this matter will continue to be one big headache for Keir Starmer just as it is for Rishi Sunak. Half the world is on the move now that they’ve discovered they can and any politician here that stops the small boats carrying mainly economic migrants will get a standing ovation.

We do know they will speed up processing of applications, they have already laid that out. They also plan to set up an assessment centre in France, and people whose applications for asylum will be unsuccessful will be told before they spend their money coming to UK. You’re right that it will be a massive headache, not least because there’s a huge backlog which will take several years to process.

Sometimes I wonder Casdon if the combination of Government inaction on processing and setting up centres in France - and hate mongering - is to present Starmer with such an appalling situation that they can't possibly clear up in 4 years and the conservatives will sail back in.

Otherwise, why aren't there new people being recruited and trained NOW (and their roles NOT downgraded as mentioned above, as this will lead to less competent people processing)

and centre to process set up in France NOW?

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Oreo

Labour may or not speed up the applications for asylum, we won’t know until it happens, one thing for sure this matter will continue to be one big headache for Keir Starmer just as it is for Rishi Sunak. Half the world is on the move now that they’ve discovered they can and any politician here that stops the small boats carrying mainly economic migrants will get a standing ovation.

No wrong - the boats are carrying mainly asylum seekers who are subsequently given refugee status.

Oh sure! 😂

Wyllow3 I understand they are recruiting people, probably so it can be added to the "list" of things they are doing to deal with the situation. It's all part of the smoke and mirrors approach really and fodder for the likes of the DM.

Casdon

Oreo

Labour may or not speed up the applications for asylum, we won’t know until it happens, one thing for sure this matter will continue to be one big headache for Keir Starmer just as it is for Rishi Sunak. Half the world is on the move now that they’ve discovered they can and any politician here that stops the small boats carrying mainly economic migrants will get a standing ovation.

We do know they will speed up processing of applications, they have already laid that out. They also plan to set up an assessment centre in France, and people whose applications for asylum will be unsuccessful will be told before they spend their money coming to UK. You’re right that it will be a massive headache, not least because there’s a huge backlog which will take several years to process.

They’ve ‘ laid it out’ just means that they’ve said they will speed it up, we all know what happens when politicians say things.
Setting up an office in France will work ( maybe) for those who won’t set off in boats but a lot will still prefer the boats especially if they’ve already been refused asylum elsewhere.
Yeah, a headache for whoever happens to be in number ten.

Caught up with this thread after being out.
MOnica, thanks so much for your various contributions. Well informed, sensible, I’m not sure I dare say compassionate without getting you dismissed as a ‘do gooder’. That’s a curious phrase to use as an insult but hey ho.

I saw an art installation in one of the galleries in Berlin. A young Syrian set out his perilous journey to safety in Berlin. He was 17 when he set off, with all the money his family could get together. As MOnica explains so well , families slub together to try and get their young, healthy men on the journey to Europe. It’s too hazardous for families, women young or old because of the high risk of sexual exploitation. That fate came close to the young artist and his money was stolen by men who offered to help him. It was a very moving piece of art.

Nincenanny, surely you aren’t suggesting we don’t offer treatment to asylum seekers fiubd to have TB

With the situation in Syria, most I think would get approved as seeking asylum.
You can’t apply that to all the very many countries that are losing a steady supply of their young men tho.

Oreo

Casdon

Oreo

Labour may or not speed up the applications for asylum, we won’t know until it happens, one thing for sure this matter will continue to be one big headache for Keir Starmer just as it is for Rishi Sunak. Half the world is on the move now that they’ve discovered they can and any politician here that stops the small boats carrying mainly economic migrants will get a standing ovation.

We do know they will speed up processing of applications, they have already laid that out. They also plan to set up an assessment centre in France, and people whose applications for asylum will be unsuccessful will be told before they spend their money coming to UK. You’re right that it will be a massive headache, not least because there’s a huge backlog which will take several years to process.

They’ve ‘ laid it out’ just means that they’ve said they will speed it up, we all know what happens when politicians say things.
Setting up an office in France will work ( maybe) for those who won’t set off in boats but a lot will still prefer the boats especially if they’ve already been refused asylum elsewhere.
Yeah, a headache for whoever happens to be in number ten.

There are some other concrete proposals. Fast tracking straightforward claims from countries where there is clear evidence that the person is an identifiable genuine asylum seeker (the Tories aren’t even doing that). Rejoining Eurodac.
Enhanced and supported team to process the applications. I do think one of the main things though will be the removal of the pointless confrontational approach to the Home Office by the ministers responsible. Dictatorial leadership isn’t effective when you are dealing with professionals who know very much more than you do as a minister about the blocks in the system, and who could advise and support you if you would allow them to.

I have questions. Answers from those who believe the government have a policy position and plans for managing asylum seeking (as opposed to simply using it as a divisive trope to appeal to a certain element of the electorate) are particularly welcome.

1. Crossing the Channel without permission was made illegal by the 2022 Nationality and Borders Act, which created two-tier system for arrivals and allowed those who arrived by small boats to be treated differently to other asylum seekers. It was claimed this would speed up asylum processing, and had it ever been implemented, it might well have done. There were no legal challenges to this, but Sunak dropped that plank of the policy in June this year. Why was that?

2. The new Illegal Migration Act was given royal assent on July 27th this year. Braverman and Sunak have confirmed that they will not be seeking to implement any of its proposals - even though none except deportation to Rwanda have been legally challenged. Why is that?

If your answer to either question is that they would be legally challenged if they were implemented, I have a third question:

3. Is it a good use of taxpayer resources, and parliamentary time, to create legislation that knowingly breaches the law, and which, therefore, cannot be implemented? Do you believe the government did this because it enabled them to blame others for non-implementation? If not, what is the rationale for it?

Email your MP for answers.

gsm It is amazing jpw many governments or individual parties manage to subvert people, while they are all proudly saying that they think for themselves.

He isn't wrong but his use of foul language was.

Well they’re all off the barge now, it’s got legionella in the water supply.
It reminds me of the children’s book, ‘Whatever next?’

Thanks for that MOnica. I have a mind of my own and always have.

he has Simon Dansczuk (sp?) the former Labour MP on his show just now and he has a house out there and married a Rwandan woman a few weeks ago.

He says it is a very, very safe country now and has a thriving economy and is know as The Switzerland of Africa because it is so beautiful. He says it would have been a perfectly good place to send migrants. he confirmed what many of us suspected that those on the Far left will go against absolutely everything to stop any plans the Govt make. They don’t care how good or well thought out their plans are, they are hell bent on stopping it because they want ALL the migrants allowed into our country.

Well he would say that wouldn't he? And of course he would, he's JUST married a Rwandan woman. His wife has just been denied a visa to enter the UK because the HO didn't think they were in a relationship. No idea if this is related!